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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    I see a lot of military , high ranking military men speaking out and giving warning about what obamascum is doing. Are they lying too ?? Damn, everybody lies about Obama huh? I am not as gullible as are so many Americans. I see a deadly snake I cut its head off. I don't pretend its a damn worm and let it bite some innocent unsuspecting person!! Obama is a damn snake if one ever existed!--Tyr
    Did I say anyone was lying? I fully acknowledge that they are entitled to their opinions. I suppose that they have good reasons for their opinions, possibly even some facts. I don't think that a decision about MRAPs is evidence of such. The man sucks enough that there is no need to stretch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Did I say anyone was lying? I fully acknowledge that they are entitled to their opinions. I suppose that they have good reasons for their opinions, possibly even some facts. I don't think that a decision about MRAPs is evidence of such. The man sucks enough that there is no need to stretch.
    Fair enough answer. Man, have to draw 'em out of you. Like squeezing juice out of an orange. Methinks you have one of those rare fetishes-- "Squeeze fetish". --Tyr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    Fair enough answer. Man, have to draw 'em out of you. Like squeezing juice out of an orange. Methinks you have one of those rare fetishes-- "Squeeze fetish". --Tyr
    I thought that's what I said on page one. Nevertheless, it's more of a twist fetish.
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    Back on topic... -Tyr
    Coburn shows what $28 billion in government waste looks like


    By Leigh Ann Caldwell, CNN

    updated 3:03 PM EST, Tue December 17, 2013

    Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Oklahoma, speaks during a news conference to release his annual report of what he calls

    Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Oklahoma, speaks during a news conference to release his annual report of what he calls "wasteful and low-priority" spending.



    STORY HIGHLIGHTS
    GOP Sen. Tom Coburn released his annual report on government waste
    He highlighted 100 government programs and $28 billion worth of "questionable" spending
    Coburn cites programs and other spending in many government agencies
    Agencies in question consider the spending legitimate




    Washington (CNN) -- Q. What does NASA's "Green Ninja," calm wives and military weapons in Afghanistan have in common?

    A. They all made Republican Sen. Tom Coburn's annual book of government waste.

    The Oklahoma Republican, a devout believer in small government, said the federal government wasted $28 billion in 2013 on "questionable and lower-priority" programs.

    Coburn, who supports deep cuts to the federal budget, said government waste could still be found despite outrage over the automatic budget cuts that went into effect last year.

    "While (President Barack Obama) and his Cabinet issued dire warnings about the cataclysmic impacts of sequestration, taxpayers were not alerted to all of the waste being spared from the budget axe," Coburn wrote in his report titled "Wastebook 2013."

    Agencies that received the money don't consider it wasted, however.

    The 177-page report that Coburn has been compiling for five years highlighted programs from the departments of Defense to Agriculture, from NASA to the National Institutes of Health.

    "The nearly $30 billion in questionable and lower-priority spending in

    "Wastebook 2013" is a small fraction of the more than $200 billion we throw away every year through fraud, waste, duplication and mismanagement," he said.

    Coburn's examples of waste:

    Weapons destruction -- $7 billion

    Weapons destruction: Coburn said the Pentagon junking weapons and vehicles used in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

    "The military has decided to simply destroy more than $7 billion worth of equipment rather than sell it or ship it back home," Coburn said.

    For instance, Coburn said "thousands" of heavily armored vehicles -- MRAPs --used to protect troops from roadside bombs "will simply be shredded."
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    Or...

    It would be easy to snicker and denounce waste with the benefit of hindsight. And it is spiteful to nickel and dime when the lives of the troops are at stake. But one thing is sure, it has proven remarkably expensive to fight an enemy equipped with donkeys and Toyota pickup trucks. At least the US military is not falling victim to the sunk cost fallacy, or, in plain speak, the act of throwing good money after bad. If MRAPs have met their goals and are just too costly to ship back to the US or to friendly nations, then scrapping them might well be the only rational thing left to do.
    http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...-needs-019723/
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    What is worse waste, greed and corruption or using waste ,greed and corruption as a means to an end. Using it as a weakening tactic? War and Defense hinge on the amount of money spent and how well its used to develop weapons systems to stay ahead. Waste billions and weaken the military is as easy to think up as a strategy as flattening a tire on an opponents car during a race. And has an additional benefit if a huge chunk of the money can be sent into political allies hands . Anybody that thinks Obama's handler George Soros doesn't know this is ignorant and gullible to boot. --Tyr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    What is worse waste, greed and corruption or using waste ,greed and corruption as a means to an end. Using it as a weakening tactic? War and Defense hinge on the amount of money spent and how well its used to develop weapons systems to stay ahead. Waste billions and weaken the military is as easy to think up as a strategy as flattening a tire on an opponents car during a race. And has an additional benefit if a huge chunk of the money can be sent into political allies hands . Anybody that thinks Obama's handler George Soros doesn't know this is ignorant and gullible to boot. --Tyr
    And you keep alleging that with no proof. The "waste" has already occurred over the past 10 years and was specifically for the safety of the troops in particular theaters and response to particular threats. Are you suggesting that we should not have "wasted" those funds protecting the troops?
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    This discussion about MRAP is important here on DP because?????????

    Would anyone care to tell, or share what talking about the BILLIONS being wasted...other than for the MRAP's? Like...the more important, more visible, much easier to control spending???
    I love to make Liberals Cry, and Whine.
    So, this is for them.
    GOD BLESS AMERICA - IN GOD WE TRUST !

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