Global Warming- how can you deny it?

[Des]

Here's the basic problem, and I guess it's just something I've been thinking about: These scientists are trying to prove that man is responsible for the warming effect. Now, it's not that they're trying to screw us or anything, they legitimately believe that global warming is a threat.

The problem comes about in the approach, because in order to truly study what is happening in an unbiased manner, you can't be walking in with your mind made up, it just doesn't work. The scientists on the other side of the line have the same problem, though.

Then some idiot gets up there sounding all official like, and exaggerates the studies findings on purposely, to scare people into action, and by the miracle of internet, get caught doing, thus discrediting not only themselves, but the very people that they are trying to help

That makes a lot of sense...thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts.

[Trigg]

650 scientists now disagree with man made global warming

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.c...0-274616db87e6

POZNAN, Poland - The UN global warming conference currently underway in Poland is about to face a serious challenge from over 650 dissenting scientists from around the globe who are criticizing the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore. Set for release this week, a newly updated U.S. Senate Minority Report features the dissenting voices of over 650 international scientists, many current and former UN IPCC scientists, who have now turned against the UN. The report has added about 250 scientists (and growing) in 2008 to the over 400 scientists who spoke out in 2007. The over 650 dissenting scientists are more than 12 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers.

I thought this part was interresting, many of the ones dissenting are former UN scientists.

[avatar4321]

I highly doubt that whatever we do is natural to the environment. But I guess I can't prove that cars, internet and cell phones aren't natural, can I? What about 'Spring Break Girls Gone Wild', they part of a natural degradation process brought about by naturally distilled alcoool and tequila, from the environment??

Is a dam or shelter the beaver builds natural? Is a bird building its nest natural? i dont see why we are any different.

[Said1]

Is a dam or shelter the beaver builds natural? Is a bird building its nest natural? i dont see why we are any different.

If you say so.

[Sitarro]

That global warming is hitting here in Houston today, our forcast is to get freezing rain, sleet or even snow tonight. Oh joy! I have lived here 12 years and haven't seen this type of weather...... damn you Global Warming!!!!

[Des]

Is a dam or shelter the beaver builds natural? Is a bird building its nest natural? i dont see why we are any different.

Everything we do is natural, but not always nature-friendly. Animals are the same way. We have the ability to foresee some of the consequences of our actions. A beaver doesn't. That doesn't mean what we do isn't natural, it just means we have the oppourtinuty to help keep the planet we depend on in a fairly hospitable state.

Unless something we use comes from another planet, it is all natural. Technically.

[manu1959]

Everything we do is natural, but not always nature-friendly. Animals are the same way. We have the ability to foresee some of the consequences of our actions. A beaver doesn't. That doesn't mean what we do isn't natural, it just means we have the oppourtinuty to help keep the planet we depend on in a fairly hospitable state.

Unless something we use comes from another planet, it is all natural. Technically.

are you telling me that when a beaver builds a damn he does not know that it is going to flood an area and kill everything that is flooded.....

[Missileman]

are you telling me that when a beaver builds a damn he does not know that it is going to flood an area and kill everything that is flooded.....

Beaver ponds are bastions of life, not death.

[Sitarro]

Just getting in from working out at the airport all night, 32 degrees out. IT SNOWED HERE!!!!!!!!!! REAL SNOW, not the little slushy ice balls...... REAL FLAKES. They were deicing the planes!!!!!!!! I have lived here 12 years and it hasn't done any of that, I am starting a warning to man that we need to pollute more to build our protective "green house" atmosphere......... Global Cooling is here and it's man's fault....... damn Global Cooling!

We even made the headline of the Drudge Report!

http://www.drudgereport.com/

[Des]

are you telling me that when a beaver builds a damn he does not know that it is going to flood an area and kill everything that is flooded.....

A beaver isn't capable of studying or understanding what happens when they flood an area, we are. That's the difference, but it doesn't mean that life can't adapt after our actions like it does after a beaver builds a dam.

[SpidermanTUba]

http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...imate_100.html

There are many scientific and health organizations, enviromental, endangered species, etc...who keep compiling evidence that the earths temperature is indeed rising and the effects are begining to become more evident.

I don't understand those who insist a freak snowstorm negates the idea that the earths temperature is rising. It would seem reasonable to expect this to happen slowly.

How can you deny all this information?

We actually had record highs in Baton Rouge for winter this year. Got into the low 80's

[SpidermanTUba]

don't worry, the Democrats have full control now, all this is on it's way..

get out your checkbook..enjoy..

You have absolutely no scientific argument to bring to this discussion whatsoever, do you? Zero?

[SpidermanTUba]

I agree, i think its unfair to blame man entirely for global warming, but we can do a lot to take care of our planet.

"unfair" ? Science doesn't care what "fair" is. Disease is unfair. Its still a fact.

we can solve any problem, we americans come together to solve

+1

[SpidermanTUba]

Global warming is from solar activity.

No it isn't. This argument has been thoroughly debunked. You're still working with right wing talking points you were handed a decade ago.

The idea that mankind is responsible for changes in the climate is silly egotistical BS.

What a genius scientific argument you've just made.

"I feel like if this theory were true, it would be silly and egotistical. Therefore, based on my feelings and no factual evidence whatsoever, its untrue"


Brilliant!

[SpidermanTUba]

650 scientists now disagree with man made global warming

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.c...0-274616db87e6



I thought this part was interresting, many of the ones dissenting are former UN scientists.

Its also not 100% honest. Of those 650, not all 650 are currently working. Not all of the 650 are climate scientists. Not all of the 650 are physical scientists. In fact, not all of the 650 are scientists. http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?t=20660 Its a bullshit list.

No one cares what economists have to say about the climate except rightwingers looking for talking points.


Even if all 650 were qualified scientists presently working - do you understand how many tens of thousands disagree with them? See link above. Every single professional scientific organization in the US has issued statements in support of AGW, with the exception of the American Association of Petroleum Geologists who recently changed their statement from "against" to "no opinion either way" after its members started resigning in droves.


Each one of those professional scientific organizations has thousands to tens of thousands of members. The American Chemical Society - for example - has 160,000 members. 160,000 vs. 650