Gov to Ministers: Marry Gays or Go to Jail

[Pernicious]

…and the distinction between gay rights and religious persecution just vanished. It begins with equality and ends with everyone losing their freedom.
But I love all these new freedoms we’re getting. We now have the freedom to do what various pressure groups want or go to jail. I hope we don’t get too many more new freedoms or we’ll run out of jail cells.

Officials in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho, are threatening an elderly couple who run a wedding chapel with jail time unless they perform wedding ceremonies for gay couples.
Donald Knapp and his wife, Evelyn, both ordained ministers who run Hitching Post Wedding Chapel, have declined to host gay weddings based on their religious beliefs. The city is basing its claims on their “non-discrimination” statute now that the courts have cleared the way for same sex marriages in the state.

If a wedding chapel and its minister are a “public accommodation”, then the First Amendment just went up in smoke, which it was always bound to. Too many “conservatives” have the fanciful notion that the left can be compromised or that it will stop at some apparent to them “reasonable point”.
History shows that the left does not stop. It keeps going. It takes everything you have and then it puts you up against a wall.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgr...or-go-to-jail/

[revelarts]

And so it begins,

this is a very Real Line in the sand.
Dear God Bless those ministers and defeat the City.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

And so it begins,

this is a very Real Line in the sand.
Dear God Bless those ministers and defeat the City.

Remember when we said about gay rights , next they'll be for having sex and marriage with animals?
And the stupid posters said no way, that slippery slop argument is bullshat. Well , now they have gay marriage and are using it to Attack religion with! Primarily Christian religion , notice how no gays are attacking Islam by demanding marriages be conducted by Imams?
Gays are anti-Christian and now they have that snowball rolling downhill.

Just watch what it catches in the coming years. Right now it targets Christians , how soon before it demands to have sex with underage kids?
SLIPPERY SLOPE, IS REAL... --Tyr

[jimnyc]

"oh, it's just about equal rights and benefits"

So now, even if they get those benefits, and even if they can get "married" by a court or anywhere else, the goal posts will move again and the demands will continue. I called this one a long, long time ago. It's nothing to do with benefits and such, they want to force people to see them the same, accept them as the same. And now some will want churches to literally change their beliefs and bless them with a holy matrimony?

IMO, it's not much different than FORCING atheists who decide to get married, to do so in a catholic church.

[gabosaurus]

That's ridiculous. You can't force someone to perform weddings. Just like you can't force someone to bake a cake they don't like.

[Gunny]

…and the distinction between gay rights and religious persecution just vanished. It begins with equality and ends with everyone losing their freedom.
But I love all these new freedoms we’re getting. We now have the freedom to do what various pressure groups want or go to jail. I hope we don’t get too many more new freedoms or we’ll run out of jail cells.

Officials in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho, are threatening an elderly couple who run a wedding chapel with jail time unless they perform wedding ceremonies for gay couples.
Donald Knapp and his wife, Evelyn, both ordained ministers who run Hitching Post Wedding Chapel, have declined to host gay weddings based on their religious beliefs. The city is basing its claims on their “non-discrimination” statute now that the courts have cleared the way for same sex marriages in the state.

If a wedding chapel and its minister are a “public accommodation”, then the First Amendment just went up in smoke, which it was always bound to. Too many “conservatives” have the fanciful notion that the left can be compromised or that it will stop at some apparent to them “reasonable point”.
History shows that the left does not stop. It keeps going. It takes everything you have and then it puts you up against a wall.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgr...or-go-to-jail/

Jail.

[fj1200]

Hopefully the ridiculous like this will show how stupid the NDA laws are.

[fj1200]

Remember when we said about gay rights , next they'll be for having sex and marriage with animals?

Only gays are into that sort of thing? BTW, what animal has the legal capacity to enter into a binding contract?

[revelarts]

Only gays are into that sort of thing? BTW, what animal has the legal capacity to enter into a binding contract?

devils advocate here

The Animal is property of the human, the Human owns the animal under the law. The human would make legal the contract of marriage under the law as well. the Human has rights as an owner and the animal is legally granted more rights by marriage. If a Man or Woman decides that marriage to his or her pet is in their interest or because of "love". They have "the right" to make that binding on all and all of the U.S. should legally RECOGNIZE it, accept it, and CELEBRATE it.
with a smile... or else.

It's a contract, not just with the animal (one of God's creatures BTW) because the community must ENDORSE it and legally recognize it for it to be all "EQUAL" like, with ever other kind of marriage.

FJ I'm surprised, you sound like a BiGOT!!!.... as well as a commie lefty muzzie lover.

[Gunny]

Hopefully the ridiculous like this will show how stupid the NDA laws are.

Laws should be equal for all. Not cater to aberrant minorities.

[fj1200]

devils advocate here

The Animal is property of the human, the Human owns the animal under the law. The human would make legal the contract of marriage under the law as well. the Human has rights as an owner and the animal is legally granted more rights by marriage. If a Man or Woman decides that marriage to his or her pet is in in their interest or because of "love". They have "the right" to make that binding on all and all of the U.S. should legally RECOGNIZE it, accept it, and CELEBRATE it.
with a smile... or else.

It's a contract, not just with the animal (one of God's creatures BTW) because the community must ENDORSE it and legally recognize it for it to be all "EQUAL" like, with ever other kind of marriage.

FJ I'm surprised, you sound like a BiGOT!!!.... as well as a commie lefty muzzie lover.

Well, that's just silly. You can't have a contract with property; take a look at the UCC. I mean, my motorcycle is worthy of love and does give me certain tingles but... Hey, maybe you do have a point.

[revelarts]

Devil's advocate follow up

Same goes for marriage between:
Siblings
Parents and Children
to the dead
to inanimate objects.
Heck I think a good case could be made for marriage to a corporation.
(some woman would say that's the case anyway why not make it legal)
Corporations are "persons" right?

finally polygamy including any of the above.

It's just a legal contract, responsible parties that want thet contract "HAVE THE RIGHT" to have it.

[fj1200]

Laws should be equal for all. Not cater to aberrant minorities.

If you're referring to gay marriage then they are now equal... in most states. If you're referring to NDA then I'd probably agree with you. The moral basis for the Civil Rights Act was that blacks couldn't get served and are in need of protection and laws guaranteeing access (Constitutional arguments aside). AFAIK there is no shortage of establishments where a gay couple could be married (any JOP would be obligated I would guess) and if you think a gay couple can't find a baker to make a cake...

My problem with those laws is that they violate the liberties of individuals on the one hand and are just completely unnecessary on the other. I haven't seen any definitive studies that suggest that gays, as a group, are truly harmed by discrimination and NDA laws just fall into the "we wanna be nice to everyone" category. That's not a reason to pass legislation IMO.

[fj1200]

Devil's advocate follow up

Same goes for marriage between:
Siblings
Parents and Children
to the dead
to inanimate objects.
Heck I think a good case could be made for marriage to a corporation.
(some woman would say that's the case anyway why not make it legal)
Corporations are "persons" right?

finally polygamy including any of the above.

It's just a legal contract, responsible parties that want thet contract "HAVE THE RIGHT" to have it.

Well, the first thing you need is "parties" to the contract, there are definitions for who can be a party and inanimate objects, minors, and the dead do not fall into that category.

As I said before I don't think this is a category the government should really be in but I'd have no problem with government only recognizing "marriage" "contracts" between two unrelated individuals of majority age. Oh, and strip out any reference to marriage in the Federal code.

[revelarts]

Well, that's just silly. You can't have a contract with property; take a look at the UCC. I mean, my motorcycle is worthy of love and does give me certain tingles but... Hey, maybe you do have a point.

Devil's advocate, lawyer from hell speaking

the right to contract is found in at least one Human beings citizenship. It's a Human RIGHT.
And just as some items become "national treasures" and some animals "endangered species" those indeed change the legal status of the object or creature. correct? That's done to parties NOT consulted, yet they are subject to/of the LAW.
Marriage is EXACTLY the SAME. don't you see you backwards bigoted neanderthal religious idjit?
A legal status that for to long has been denied those who love their pets or objects.
the BIGOTRY against pet lovers and object lovers has been going on in this puritanical country of love haters for far to long.
The wider community must recognize the rights of bestiality relationships or they will be recognized as backwards thinking bigots and finally CRIMINALS!

I bleieve you've said that Christians have no right to define marriage. it's the LAW (whatever that is) that defines it. And we will change that to suit our purpose and "RIGHTS"!!!