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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilloduck View Post
    Too bad I'm sitting here trying to figure out what the real TRUTH is about the incident.
    What do you mean double D?
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F Buckley, Jr

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoogyMan View Post
    What do you mean double D?
    Meaning both sides are putting out information that you have to sort through in your head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilloduck View Post
    Meaning both sides are putting out information that you have to sort through in your head.
    You could be right. We will have to see.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F Buckley, Jr

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    I'm trying to figure out why I haven't seen a picture of the oil slick and facedown bodies where the five speedboats were.
    I'm Phil -- 40 something heterosexual white male, fairly self sufficient, great with my kids, wed 29 years to the same woman, and I firmly believe that ones actions have logical consequences. How much more out the box can you get nowadays? -- MSgt of Marines (ret)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegwinn View Post
    I'm trying to figure out why I haven't seen a picture of the oil slick and facedown bodies where the five speedboats were.
    I'm wondering about that too. What are the ROEs in the Straights of Hormuz ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilloduck View Post
    I'm wondering about that too. What are the ROEs in the Straights of Hormuz ?
    No impact No idea.

    Our ROE allowed us to smoke anything that looked suspicious. But now, they've tightened up considerably for what appear to be politically motivated "hearts and minds" reasons.

    I would assume the Captains of each ship are told something like "Thou shalt not litter the water with Iranians until sixteen warnings and an HBO special are transmitted."

    Seriously, had it been me they would have died as soon as they came within range of whatever we thought they could carry.

    Hell, a warning shot, ya know, cruise missile over the bow and tehran bound..... something, anything.......
    I'm Phil -- 40 something heterosexual white male, fairly self sufficient, great with my kids, wed 29 years to the same woman, and I firmly believe that ones actions have logical consequences. How much more out the box can you get nowadays? -- MSgt of Marines (ret)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegwinn View Post
    No impact No idea.

    Our ROE allowed us to smoke anything that looked suspicious. But now, they've tightened up considerably for what appear to be politically motivated "hearts and minds" reasons.

    I would assume the Captains of each ship are told something like "Thou shalt not litter the water with Iranians until sixteen warnings and an HBO special are transmitted."

    Seriously, had it been me they would have died as soon as they came within range of whatever we thought they could carry.

    Hell, a warning shot, ya know, cruise missile over the bow and tehran bound..... something, anything.......
    I'm afraid you're right----if our ships blew anything out of the water, who would believe they felt like they were threatened ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilloduck View Post
    I'm afraid you're right----if our ships blew anything out of the water, who would believe they felt were threatened ?
    Unless we lose people, we are the mongers. Right? That is what you are all saying. So f the navy, army, what have you, unless they have wounded or worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Unless we lose people, we are the mongers. Right? That is what you are all saying. So f the navy, army, what have you, unless they have wounded or worse.
    Tell it to the pols. They are the ones making the rules. The troops merely try to do a job, and if possible avoid loud noises. If it aint possible, the troops already have the names of decent defense attorneys on speed dial.

    I remember telling my guys that if someone looked at them cross eyed, then it was clobberin time. Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6.
    I'm Phil -- 40 something heterosexual white male, fairly self sufficient, great with my kids, wed 29 years to the same woman, and I firmly believe that ones actions have logical consequences. How much more out the box can you get nowadays? -- MSgt of Marines (ret)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilloduck View Post
    I'm afraid you're right----if our ships blew anything out of the water, who would believe they felt like they were threatened ?
    they would argue that the response was not apropriate to the threat.....

    "I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is."

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    Quote Originally Posted by manu1959 View Post
    they would argue that the response was not apropriate to the threat.....
    that or call the whole fleet before a congressional hearing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegwinn View Post
    No impact No idea.

    Our ROE allowed us to smoke anything that looked suspicious. But now, they've tightened up considerably for what appear to be politically motivated "hearts and minds" reasons.

    I would assume the Captains of each ship are told something like "Thou shalt not litter the water with Iranians until sixteen warnings and an HBO special are transmitted."

    Seriously, had it been me they would have died as soon as they came within range of whatever we thought they could carry.

    Hell, a warning shot, ya know, cruise missile over the bow and tehran bound..... something, anything.......
    Button down the hatches and turn on the SeaWiz's.

    Or should I have said "batten" ?
    “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Button down the hatches and turn on the SeaWiz's.

    Or should I have said "batten" ?
    That'll do nicely. The squids really do have some neat toys huh?
    I'm Phil -- 40 something heterosexual white male, fairly self sufficient, great with my kids, wed 29 years to the same woman, and I firmly believe that ones actions have logical consequences. How much more out the box can you get nowadays? -- MSgt of Marines (ret)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegwinn View Post
    That'll do nicely. The squids really do have some neat toys huh?
    Too bad they have to ask lawyers if they can use em or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegwinn View Post
    That'll do nicely. The squids really do have some neat toys huh?
    If those gunboats got in radar range of those guns there wouldn't be enough wood left to make matches.
    “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke

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