New Mod - Logroller

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I'd like to see him return too, but he was off the mark on this one. And while I understood any concern from others, and it has only been a month, things are going basically about as I expected, which is minimal change. In fact, not even a single moderation has been done by Logroller as of yet.

Well Jim, I admit to having had the same thoughts back then. Some of us immigrants from the other board saw how piss poor moderating and bias against us as a group went there. Taft was in that group and was mistreated by some lefty mods and admin -THERE! My hope is that he sees that has not been the case here and accepts your word on it is not ever going to be the case here. I have seen nothing bad coming from Log ,just being himself which is to be expected. No power mad abuse that we've seen at other sites. Hopefully Taft will start posting again. You have to admit that the man stood his ground come hell or high water and didn't mind broadsiding anybody that got too smartass with him. Some people respect that.. -Tyr

[red state]

Forgive the late participation but I had to address a few things that I've noticed from reading all the posts. My intent is not to make enemies or open old wounds. I would, however, like to address what has been posted but I'd like to specifically address those that I've had much respect for in the past. To be honest, I'm shocked at some of the more aggressive posts but to start off with the more civil, well written posts, I'd like to address V4R & Drummond.

V4R, I strongly disagree with the comment you made early on and Drummond, it may be the very first time I've ever disagreed with you but, fortunately, this is a partial disagreement as you explained the nature of liberal posters and on that, I agree entirely. Time and time again, I have tried to reach some sort of an understanding between the left and my Conservative views. They are closed minded and far too childish to carry on a conversation (much less debate or come to any reasonable conclusion to areas where we may possibly come together). Besides, there are far too many "pretenders" within the so-called Conservative/Republican ranks to argue or simply differ with to prevent (as Sassy put it) boring. And as for "donations" I post throughout many different boards and if donations were a requirement, I'd only consider donating to those whom I've been treated with the utmost regard. my posting or reading posts is not a news source or even the best way for one to spend one's off time so your attempt or attack is invalid but nice try. I donate in matters that actually count...not in matters where steam or "hot air" is released or even where we can converse with friends or affiliates. That can be done in so many places (including EMAIL) but getting back to my reply to V4R; we have no need of liberal madness, rude comments and outright detest of LIGHT, TRUTH and GOODNESS we know how, what and why they believe the way they believe and we've all been at this long enough to know not to expect any common sense or change in them. Personally, I've seen only ONE liberal switch over. At least SOME of those who pretend to be Conservative offer some sort of an adult dialog.....not many, mind you, but enough. The attacks are what they are good at and we've learned to roll with the punches and give some back. I personally do not have the need to argue with an idiot and the older I get the less likely I am to do so....a mosquito isn't easy to ignore but they are often times not worth the energy in swatting them away. It is wiser to have them think all is well and when they think they'll get some sort of free meal....SWAT!!!

I suppose log is doing OK (if Jim keeps the muzzle on). Still, I see a curve in the road and the speed may be too fast. This site has already proven to have all kinds of "certain groups" but when a 'group' makes decisions in favor of those they have known the longest, it is never a good thing and if those folks wish to think they're better than (say P.com) or some of the other sites mentioned within this thread.....well, they're simply foolin' themselves. I have found that liberal mods conduct themselves differently than Conservative ones. The lib, regardless of position or the type of integrity that should come from such a position, usually conduct themselves just as poorly as when they were simply a liberal spouting off ignorant, childish attacks. A true Conservative minded mod is a much better choice (whether we have 20 or 200 Conservative mods). They simply conduct themselves fairly and more logically because they use fact and deeply thought out scenarios that weigh their beliefs and convictions with that of opposing views. Libs (even lib mods) usually think/post with aggression, bias and ignorance with little regard to others.

As for About Time posting the way he does, I couldn't resist the opportunity in addressing this off-topic remark because posting styles is something that I've also been singled out for various reasons. Kathian, it is quite puzzling to me how one can pick and choose whom is up for grammatically correct criticism and I do hope my postings have little to no mis-spelled words or is received with any hostility. I'd simply like to know why one's style of posting is important or why only a select few seem to annoy others or face scrutiny for the way they post. No one is perfect but we all have our own writing styles. I prefer to use RED within my posts (have done so for YEARS) to signify the RED ALERT that our Nation is under. It also is in honor of RED STATES....the last stand of true FREEDOM. Lastly, RED is in memory of my heritage but it was so offensive to some here at DP that I'm only allowed to do so within more liberal sites who realize that they can simply ignore my posts (if they don't like RED). Amazing how critical or agitated folks are on THIS site just because posts (of SOME) are this way or that. I personally find GABBY boring or agitating; yet she still posts her same one-liners filled with ignorance, hatred and immaturity. Look, I'm not perfect and I'm not one to make enemies simply to make them but if I'm willing to overlook shortcomings of others and/or give second chances...anyone should be willing to do so. Tyr is correct, this is a test to see if Conservative Mods truly do have more integrity and I'm going to actually enjoy the outcome (possibly).

In the long run, it really doesn't matter if log remains muzzled or proves a few of us SPOT ON cuz these types of sites are really just to blow off some steam or voice an opinion to faceless individuals (unless strong friendships have been established for a few of us). For others, the many sites such as this one, are a way to, in some KraZy way, fix stupid but It ain't happening folks. I've also come to the conclusion that we have enemies; stupid, puppet-like enemies. My definition of enemy includes enemies such as B.O. and ALL the other leftists, who would allow our our rights to be taken away or those who would love to TAKE the freedoms and heritage we've enjoyed and prospered under for so long. This prosperity came through the sacrifice of REAL Americans and I'm in no mind set to treat them as anything but an enemy. Such people are also those under the cult of iSLUM or the GREEN RED & WHITE waving border invaders looking for special treatment. They deserve no respect because THEY come into OUR house and rob us of what is OURS and would have OUR Nation become a failed state similar to the ones they left. They are all truly are greatest enemies because they are accomplishing things that OBL could only dream of doing. the Fairness/Equality/PC mentality is exactly why we find ourselves in the mess we're in and discussion sites are making the same mistake (in my opinion).

I'm not here to intentionally make enemies but I'm not here to get along or pretend either....I'm here to draw a line and voice my opinion. Whether any of us, be it any particular leftist mod, my posting or the site itself works out, I can live with it or without it. It is the other person's responsibility of deciding which side of the line they are on (and live with it)....bottom line.

[taft2012]

Red States, nice post. However, it's been my experience that this all goes well beyond mere ideology. A forum moderating staff's group-think unites liberals and conservatives, in an almost paranoid us-vs-them group-think mentality.

I made a small joke and RSR instantly jumped into my shit telling me to shut up and stop whining. It was at that point that I recognized this increasingly expanding moderator pool was developing that very group think I've seen over and over. The staff becomes very defensive about their work, and when anyone dares to complain about it they bipartisanly descend upon them en-masse and deliver Soprano-level e-beatings to ensure complainers don't open their mouths again.

Not long afterwards, Billy Bob made a comment about Trigg's moderating. Now, I had no use for Billy Bob from the moment he arrived. I quickly recognized him as a crank and tossed him into my ignore bin. IMO, that's pretty much the extent of moderating a forum needs - an ignore feature. But I digress...

Jimmy immediately rushed to Trigg's defense, and somehow, for some reason I didn't quite catch, Billy Bob got banned. IMO, the moderators circling their wagons were responsible. Billy Bob was annoyance from the moment he arrived, but he hit the moderator trip-wire and "BOOM!", he got banned.

Then there are the moderator wannabes.... the e-marmaluke Sopranos. They made a thread mocking Billy Bob's expulsion. That's something that's always irked me. Trashing and mocking somebody who is incapable of defending themselves. Billy Bob didn't have much in the way of defenders, probably rightfully so... but next time it may very well be a more worthwhile poster. This precedent is already underway and the group think is rapidly developing.

The e-marmalukes defended the staff, applauded them, kissed their collective asses... all in hopes of becoming one of the in-crowd. One of kewl kids who gets to eat lunch at the kewl kids' table. This faction becomes the moderators' support base. When I made a comment in one of the "Hooray for the new Moderator" threads, I pointed out that a particular member was an e-marmaluke ... and that comment was quickly removed from the thread. Heaven forbid the ass kissers of the group-think masters of DP get a dig thrown at them.

Then there are those, like me, who sit around watching and saying, "Hey, wait a minute, what the hell's going on here? Was that really fair?" Only to get instantly slammed by moderators and e-marmalukes.

I've seen all of this before, and it's quickly evolving here. I've tried to fight it elsewhere, only to discover it's not worth the effort. Nor is it worth dedicating my time to a forum that just placed itself on a downward trajectory towards extinction.

Tyr, you say it's been a month and nothing bad's happened. I disagree. This is rapidly unfolding and developing.

I'm sure you've noticed that P.com is now essentially a liberal echo chamber with hardly any dissenting opinion. But the real underlying problem there was not liberalism vs. conservatism. It was the collective group-think of the moderating staff that "we're always right" and "complaints are always meritless."

When you start seeing comments from the moderating staff and their supporters that say things like "This site is free," "you have nothing to complain about," "you're free to leave," etc., they are an omen that more egregious abuses are coming, and that you either have to live with the abuses or leave.

I already see it coming in the month that just went by. This moderating staff is too big for the amount of participants and they'll all be jockeying for status within their group. And the e-marmalukes will be supporting every abuse. Normal posters will be victimized and departing. This is a normal development process for internet forums, which is why they all grow, peak, and decline.

It's like how if a government program is working OK, liberals simply can't leave it alone. They have to tweak and perfect it, to the point it becomes a total wreck. DP was going along fine, but now it's on the path to its own demise.

Sad.

And now the moderating staff can be expected to appear and rip this post to shreds, the e-mamalukes will applaud their every comment, but none of that will alter the path DP is now tracking...

[Marcus Aurelius]

Not long afterwards, Billy Bob made a comment about Trigg's moderating. Now, I had no use for Billy Bob from the moment he arrived. I quickly recognized him as a crank and tossed him into my ignore bin. IMO, that's pretty much the extent of moderating a forum needs - an ignore feature. But I digress...

Jimmy immediately rushed to Trigg's defense, and somehow, for some reason I didn't quite catch, Billy Bob got banned. IMO, the moderators circling their wagons were responsible. Billy Bob was annoyance from the moment he arrived, but he hit the moderator trip-wire and "BOOM!", he got banned.

Then there are the moderator wannabes.... the e-marmaluke Sopranos. They made a thread mocking Billy Bob's expulsion. That's something that's always irked me. Trashing and mocking somebody who is incapable of defending themselves. Billy Bob didn't have much in the way of defenders, probably rightfully so... but next time it may very well be a more worthwhile poster. This precedent is already underway and the group think is rapidly developing.

First, you realize BillyBob's ban was temporary right? HE has now 'chosen' to remain away, although he does come in to Pos rep a certain unnamed Whitless poster, he no longer posts.

Second, you really don't know the whole story behind his temporary ban. Calling me the n-word on the open board repeatedly was certainly part of it (I'm white, btw). The racial and disgusting things he said in PM's to me was certainly part of it (I will not be specific, as that is against the board rules). His posting actions were certainly part of it.

To make it out like his ban was the action of moderators run amok is ridiculous.

[taft2012]

And, as predicted, the first of the e-marmalukes appears.

No, I didn't know or realize that Billy Bob was doing that. He could have been saying the same things about me for all I know, or care, but I wouldn't have noticed because I put him on ignore.

Very simple actually. That's the sort of self-reliance that conservatism teaches, as opposed to running and crying to the house Nazis.

But, I'm done here. Have at me all youse e-marmalukes.

[jimnyc]

But, I'm done here.

Didn't you tell us that, like over a month ago?

[Voted4Reagan]

Didn't you tell us that, like over a month ago?

[red state]

And, as predicted, the first of the e-marmalukes appears.

No, I didn't know or realize that Billy Bob was doing that. He could have been saying the same things about me for all I know, or care, but I wouldn't have noticed because I put him on ignore.

Very simple actually. That's the sort of self-reliance that conservatism teaches, as opposed to running and crying to the house Nazis.

But, I'm done here. Have at me all youse e-marmalukes.

Taft, I could agree more, which is why I post within the Con/Rep board (when such an area is available). I've found that when you get the better of a liberal (through truth, logic and mental judo they QUICKLY tuck tail and RUN to daddy moderator or mommy moderator. (especially Cautionary Tail). Of all the dispicable things for a grown man to do, tattle tailing is one of the top MOST unmanly things that one can do and it always makes me cringe.

I"m not really sure why you responded to be with an "I agree....BUT" since I thought I had addressed the very points that you've spelled out. You say it is coming soon here at DP but I'd have to say (personally) that I've experienced it here as well. I'm sure most of them have placed me on ignore as you have with Billy and others....and that's your right but I've never placed anyone on an all out ignore. Sometimes I read their posts (especially the one-liners with very little substance....as usual) and sometimes I simply scroll past them to more intelligent, mature posters and as you well know, this site is full of the one-liners or immature posters who rather ask a ridiculous question than answer a legitimate one.

Still, this is a pretty good site (mostly because of all the bells and whistles within the programming that other sites leave out) but there are so many talk forums that I fully enjoy and when this site "turns" I still have friends and great posters elsewhere to vent or release some political steam.....or, as some would say, hot air. HA! I truly don't care if they see my posts as "Straw Man Posts" or not and the worse thing that one with no power such as myself can do on any particular site is to have those who are in power realize that you don't need them. Glad you were joking about leaving but I do understand the necessity in stepping away for however long it takes to get over bad news, biased rulings or redundant posters.

Well, Taft, I've got to get busy....up late last night after the huge celebration and FAR too much home-made ice cream and I've much to do in getting caught up. The fireworks were exceptional but the young man in the wheelchair was the true blessing last night after he presented his testimony via video to our youth. God Bless AMERICA!!!

[jimnyc]

I find this thread has turned comical. Everyone went nuts over Log being made a moderator, and some still whine, and yet after all of this time he has yet to moderate a single person. Further whining about "liberal" staff members, of which we have none. Some want to erroneously call Logroller a liberal moderator. Even if he was, which is laughable, he STILL hasn't moderated anyone, so either complaint falls flat. Then there is just general complaints about moderation, which is rarely the case. We've had maybe 2 outright bans in the past 6 months? And both were quite deserving. Then instead of heavy handed moderation outside of that, we have moved threads to the cage area, or removed a handful of participants that were consistently fighting in threads. And of course, those complaining are still here, and aren't even moderated.

Yep, 'ol horrible DP, filled with the liberal staff and nazi moderators, who go out of their way not to ban anyone. The horror of it all!

[jimnyc]

And now the moderating staff can be expected to appear and rip this post to shreds, the e-mamalukes will applaud their every comment, but none of that will alter the path DP is now tracking...

Good to see you back, taft! I have no desire at all to shred your post. The community has been here long enough to know what is reality and what is imagined. Have a great day!!

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Red States, nice post. However, it's been my experience that this all goes well beyond mere ideology. A forum moderating staff's group-think unites liberals and conservatives, in an almost paranoid us-vs-them group-think mentality.

I made a small joke and RSR instantly jumped into my shit telling me to shut up and stop whining. It was at that point that I recognized this increasingly expanding moderator pool was developing that very group think I've seen over and over. The staff becomes very defensive about their work, and when anyone dares to complain about it they bipartisanly descend upon them en-masse and deliver Soprano-level e-beatings to ensure complainers don't open their mouths again.

Not long afterwards, Billy Bob made a comment about Trigg's moderating. Now, I had no use for Billy Bob from the moment he arrived. I quickly recognized him as a crank and tossed him into my ignore bin. IMO, that's pretty much the extent of moderating a forum needs - an ignore feature. But I digress...

Jimmy immediately rushed to Trigg's defense, and somehow, for some reason I didn't quite catch, Billy Bob got banned. IMO, the moderators circling their wagons were responsible. Billy Bob was annoyance from the moment he arrived, but he hit the moderator trip-wire and "BOOM!", he got banned.

Then there are the moderator wannabes.... the e-marmaluke Sopranos. They made a thread mocking Billy Bob's expulsion. That's something that's always irked me. Trashing and mocking somebody who is incapable of defending themselves. Billy Bob didn't have much in the way of defenders, probably rightfully so... but next time it may very well be a more worthwhile poster. This precedent is already underway and the group think is rapidly developing.

The e-marmalukes defended the staff, applauded them, kissed their collective asses... all in hopes of becoming one of the in-crowd. One of kewl kids who gets to eat lunch at the kewl kids' table. This faction becomes the moderators' support base. When I made a comment in one of the "Hooray for the new Moderator" threads, I pointed out that a particular member was an e-marmaluke ... and that comment was quickly removed from the thread. Heaven forbid the ass kissers of the group-think masters of DP get a dig thrown at them.

Then there are those, like me, who sit around watching and saying, "Hey, wait a minute, what the hell's going on here? Was that really fair?" Only to get instantly slammed by moderators and e-marmalukes.

I've seen all of this before, and it's quickly evolving here. I've tried to fight it elsewhere, only to discover it's not worth the effort. Nor is it worth dedicating my time to a forum that just placed itself on a downward trajectory towards extinction.

Tyr, you say it's been a month and nothing bad's happened. I disagree. This is rapidly unfolding and developing.

I'm sure you've noticed that P.com is now essentially a liberal echo chamber with hardly any dissenting opinion. But the real underlying problem there was not liberalism vs. conservatism. It was the collective group-think of the moderating staff that "we're always right" and "complaints are always meritless."

When you start seeing comments from the moderating staff and their supporters that say things like "This site is free," "you have nothing to complain about," "you're free to leave," etc., they are an omen that more egregious abuses are coming, and that you either have to live with the abuses or leave.

I already see it coming in the month that just went by. This moderating staff is too big for the amount of participants and they'll all be jockeying for status within their group. And the e-marmalukes will be supporting every abuse. Normal posters will be victimized and departing. This is a normal development process for internet forums, which is why they all grow, peak, and decline.

It's like how if a government program is working OK, liberals simply can't leave it alone. They have to tweak and perfect it, to the point it becomes a total wreck. DP was going along fine, but now it's on the path to its own demise.

Sad.

And now the moderating staff can be expected to appear and rip this post to shreds, the e-mamalukes will applaud their every comment, but none of that will alter the path DP is now tracking...

Taft, there is some truth to what you say about how moderating usually goes. Lord knows we've seen it go like that elsewhere but my friend I truly believe that's not the case here. Now you know damn well I'm not butt-kissing when saying that. I voluntarily left the other forum because they wrongly banned my friend and that's how I came to be here. I always saw you as a stand your ground kind of guy that wouldn't just give up or give in. And now it looks like you are doing both. Billybob was an azzhat from the word go so do not use what happened to that character as it is a great error IMHO. And you know that all admin's and mods work together, play together -bond and defend each other. Its the natural order of things Hoss. Happens at all boards my friend. I tell ya that this board is not liberal and we have far more freedom to post here than elsewhere. Now I will agree with you if log and I in the future get into a heated exchange and a gang suddenly descends upon me and beat me senseless. I SIMPLY DO NOT SEE THAT HAPPENING. Call it faith, call it experience or call it intuition but I've been at over a dozen sites and this by far is the best one. Did I ever do you wrong or not be honest with you? Think about it and know IF you do not play here anymore I'll damn sure miss both your intelligent comments and your tendency to blast anybody that blasts you. I always really admired that about you. Guess I've said enough now . PM me if you'd like to discuss this more my friend. -Tyr