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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    Gays claim that they are born homosexual and given that I throw up a little in my mouth when I think about naked men, I tend to believe that they are telling the truth. I just don't think someone can choose to make that "leap."

    People choose to do vile things all the time, they choose to fuck animals, they choose to shoot drugs, they choose to engage in scat(play with other's shit) etc. etc. etc. so its quite possible and even likely that they choose this lifestyle.......especially given the fact that after billions and decades spent on research to find the gay gene or genes there is absolutely nada to date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCA View Post
    People choose to do vile things all the time, they choose to fuck animals, they choose to shoot drugs, they choose to engage in scat(play with other's shit) etc. etc. etc. so its quite possible and even likely that they choose this lifestyle.......especially given the fact that after billions and decades spent on research to find the gay gene or genes there is absolutely nada to date.
    Have they really spent "billions" on finding the gay gene? What's the point? They could've bought me and several million other people a porsche for all that money! I guess if they actually found the gene they could somehow justify their deviant behavior to the rest of society.
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    Science wants to explain things and understand why they happen. Creationists want to use science to justify their own causes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    Have they really spent "billions" on finding the gay gene? What's the point? They could've bought me and several million other people a porsche for all that money! I guess if they actually found the gene they could somehow justify their deviant behavior to the rest of society.

    Yes, if they had found a gene or cause they could justify their behavior but..........they haven't and after all this time logic leads you to believe that it doesn't exist and therefore its a choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCA View Post
    Yes, if they had found a gene or cause they could justify their behavior but..........they haven't and after all this time logic leads you to believe that it doesn't exist and therefore its a choice.
    Well, you're missing the third possibility and that is that it is a behavior manifesting itself out of early experiences or environmental factors--or that it is biological. Has anyone ever done a study to find out if effeminate boys are more likely to be homosexual due to hormonal deficiencies or something? I tend to think that it has to do with psychology more than anything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    Well, you're missing the third possibility and that is that it is a behavior manifesting itself out of early experiences or environmental factors--or that it is biological. Has anyone ever done a study to find out if effeminate boys are more likely to be homosexual due to hormonal deficiencies or something? I tend to think that it has to do with psychology more than anything else.
    Which then leads to this: if it was psychological then why can it not be treated like other psychological disorders? Why is the psychological community deadset against that? I know the answer, want to see if you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCA View Post
    Which then leads to this: if it was psychological then why can it not be treated like other psychological disorders? Why is the psychological community deadset against that? I know the answer, want to see if you do.
    I'm sure there are some psychologists who want to treat homosexuality--I mean isn't that what happens when Christian families send their gay children to religious camps when their kids "come out?" Their parents send them off to get the "gay" washed out of them. I don't know the answer to your question. I don't get psychological community magazine so I don't know what the community's opinion on the subject is.
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    How are they going to be treated?

    There's no anti-gay pill.

    Therapy doesn't work for many other
    problems--people just learn to cope
    over time-- or not.

    I think there is an unreal view of
    the success of psychiatry here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    I'm sure there are some psychologists who want to treat homosexuality--I mean isn't that what happens when Christian families send their gay children to religious camps when their kids "come out?" Their parents send them off to get the "gay" washed out of them. I don't know the answer to your question. I don't get psychological community magazine so I don't know what the community's opinion on the subject is.
    Except we know that kids can't become "ungay". There is no scientific basis for assertions that they can be "cured". All you have are kids being taught to hate themselves and who become closeted.

    Things like that are a huge part of the reason for the high suicide rate among gay kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCA View Post
    People choose to do vile things all the time, they choose to fuck animals, they choose to shoot drugs, they choose to engage in scat(play with other's shit) etc. etc. etc. so its quite possible and even likely that they choose this lifestyle.......especially given the fact that after billions and decades spent on research to find the gay gene or genes there is absolutely nada to date.
    This is a great answer to the why if you can bang broads would you bang hairy asses "vaudeville routine" question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCA View Post
    This is a great answer to the why if you can bang broads would you bang hairy asses "vaudeville routine" question.
    There's no subsitution for a vagina and a pair of long, smooth, lotiony legs. Gays are definately crazy. I'll give you that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaffer
    Science wants to explain things and understand why they happen. Creationists want to use science to justify their own causes.

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