Muslim man walks into church during easter mass,unfolds prayer mat and starts praying

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

wwjd?

Abbey wrote

He would probably tell them that the only way to the Father is through Him. And that Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the children of God.

And then turn over a table or two. He was no fan of inappropriate behavior even outside the Temple back in the day.

^^^^^^ I agree wholeheartedly with that estimation ...-Tyr

[logroller]

He would probably tell them that the only way to the Father is through Him. And that Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the children of God.

And then turn over a table or two. He was no fan of inappropriate behavior even outside the Temple back in the day.

I agree with all except the table tossing; He did that, sure, but in a very different situation-- one where the temple was being used corruptly; such is not the case here. In this case, a man came and prayed, disruption or not. After flipping the table and benches Jesus said "my house will be called a house of prayer..." He doesn't say house of sermons, but prayer, which leads me to believe He would not then evict him for praying.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I agree with all except the table tossing; He did that, sure, but in a very different situation-- one where the temple was being used corruptly; such is not the case here. In this case, a man came and prayed, disruption or not. After flipping the table and benches Jesus said "my house will be called a house of prayer..." He doesn't say house of sermons, but prayer, which leads me to believe He would not then evict him for praying.

Jesus evicted the money changers for corrupting his Father's house. So why wouldn't he also evict a man that denies his divinity and was lost into a religion of corruption? A man that came there not to glorify His name or that of his Father but instead to taunt and arrogantly prove to the world that Christianity is to be derided and treated as if its an abomination..
I strongly agree with Abbey that he would put that man out just as he did the money changers in the Temple and it wasn't meekly and mildly!!

I ask again to you or anybody else that cares to answer, Is a Christian supposed to defend those that deny Christ, (defend the very evil that enslaves mankind)?? Every Islamist denies the Divinity of Jesus, in fact many even murder over it...
Care to answer since you have so defended them along with others? ..
I myself simply refuse to ever dishonor my Salvation by defending those that lead almost a quarter of mankind into darkness and eternal condemnation! --Tyr

[DragonStryk72]

Exactly !

There's no 'equivalence' issue here. Since Christianity truly is a religion of peace, the Muslim could expect to walk away unharmed. Ah, but reverse it ... and imagine a Christian entering a mosque, doing the Christian equivalent. A 'peaceful' exit just wouldn't be on the cards.

Imagine a Muslim cartoonist drawing a disparaging cartoon of Christ. Would you see protests in the streets of cities, Christian protesters baying for the death of the cartoonist ???

We all know how Muslims (... sorry, 'non' Muslims, as Jafar would say ??) react to cartoon disparagements of their Prophet, don't we ....

Well, here, he would likely be shown out, but in the ME, where Sharia Orthodoxy is the law of the land, he's pretty much taking a bullet in the brainpan.

In the end, though, it's really just a guy being a dick. And it doesn't matter if you reverse it or not. A Christian walking into a mosque and pulling this sort of thing is being just as much of a dick.

[jafar00]

Had this guy went quietly into the back and did his thing, without interrupting the ongoing service, he probably would have been allowed as well. It's the up front at the altar, dropping his prayer rug, and reciting Quran verses, all during a mass, that was the issue. It's not that a Muslim went into a church, but rather because he did so during services and went to the altar.

Well, to coin a phrase from your culture, this was a bit of a dick move and unbecoming of the behaviour usually expected of a Muslim.

Had he quietly went in and went by what the mosque protocol was, perhaps. But doubtful if the christian bloke walked in and went to the "altar" and did his thing, ignored the Imams speaking or whatever they do, and interrupted others in the mosque during services.

We have kids running around the Mosque all the time during services. Once in Egypt, a man came in off the street and hugged the Imam while he was leading the prayer. It was obvious he was a few chick peas short of a falafel so a few of the brothers talked to him after the prayer and found out he was homeless and had many problems. Last I saw him, he was sitting down with the Imam and a few others and was eating with them. I don't remember what happened next. I think he was set up with proper mental health care by one of the brothers in the Mosque.

Had not thought of that. I wonder if... send a grown woman, without a hijab, a christian woman - let her enter mosques in various countries. Walk to prominent areas like this guy did and do her thing on her own, while disrupting the men that are there praying.

If that happened in my Mosque, she would be confronted politely and asked to observe our customs and told we would be happy to have a chat if she likes. If a ruckus was caused we would just call the police like any other gatecrasher.

I can't imagine a single Islamic country where this ends well. I can't think of a single mosque that will simply sit back and allow this. The best she would hope for would be the same that the church did, which would be quietly escorting her out.

Obviously you have a terribly skewed view about Muslims. We are decent human beings. We don't have 3 heads and green scales under our head coverings.

Some will deny it - but imagine Pakistan, Iran, Yemen, Syria or other major Muslims nations - a Christian guy walks into a mosque. He's carrying his bible and wearing a large crucifixion around his neck. He goes to the front, kneels to pray, and starts reciting bible verses. Right or wrong - he is NOT simply getting escorted out in most places. He would be lucky if he escapes with just a beating.

This happened in a Mosque in Alexandria. He sat next to us with a cross in his hands reciting salutations to Jesus the whole time. He was just visiting the Mosque with a friend. Some tried to convert him

[jimnyc]

If that happened in my Mosque, she would be confronted politely and asked to observe our customs and told we would be happy to have a chat if she likes. If a ruckus was caused we would just call the police like any other gatecrasher.

Obviously you have a terribly skewed view about Muslims. We are decent human beings. We don't have 3 heads and green scales under our head coverings.

Nope. I said it could go a couple of ways, and that she would be lucky to just be escorted out, which sounds exactly as you described. But I also stand my by views that in many other places it wouldn't quite end so well. I'm speaking about places like Pakistan, Yemen, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Egypt... In some places it's not so easy when it comes to women doing as they please and flipping their noses at authority, or to be disrespectful in a mosque. So no, I don't think muslims are monsters, but I do think there are tons of muslim holy places around the world where similar people would be met with violence.

[fj1200]

He surely did. Its called "disturbing the peace" and/or trespassing. Had a Christian done that in a Mosque he would be lucky if arrested was all he got out of it. More than likely he'd been beaten to death by the usual "angry mob" of peace loving Islamic zealots!!
And Jafar would be calling them --Not Muslim!!! --Tyr

Trespassing? Not really if he left when asked. Disturbing the peace? Debatable, would the Kingdom of God be advanced by them insisting he be arrested? The rest? Not really relevant.

[fj1200]

Somebody tell me how a true Christian can defend Islam when it denies Christ's divinity....
...

Yet we see people claiming to be Christian do that and do it with vigor and often even hate-filled malice. -Tyr

Who is defending Islam?

[jafar00]

Nope. I said it could go a couple of ways, and that she would be lucky to just be escorted out, which sounds exactly as you described. But I also stand my by views that in many other places it wouldn't quite end so well. I'm speaking about places like Pakistan, Yemen, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Egypt... In some places it's not so easy when it comes to women doing as they please and flipping their noses at authority, or to be disrespectful in a mosque. So no, I don't think muslims are monsters, but I do think there are tons of muslim holy places around the world where similar people would be met with violence.

Such violence in a Mosque is an unthinkable monstrosity. A Mosque is a house of worship!

[Gaffer]

Such violence in a Mosque is an unthinkable monstrosity. A Mosque is a house of worship!

And munitions storage facility.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Who is defending Islam?

Millions of gullible and blinded infidels. And some that play here.

When people demand truth that show evil be hidden they are actually defending those engaged in that evil. Or do you believe that "head in the sand"(preferably infidel heads) is a good way to go thru life?? I believe best medicine for the ignorant, foolish and blinded is truth and healthy large doses of it at that! -Tyr

[fj1200]

And some that play here.

Who would that be?

[NightTrain]

Such violence in a Mosque is an unthinkable monstrosity. A Mosque is a house of worship!

You must not get news over there other than Al-Jazeera. And here I thought Australia would have a decent news industry.

There were LOTS of mosques being used to fight from in the last 10 years, and a few of them even came complete with women and children to stand in the windows in front of the courageous muzzies firing AK-47s & RPGs over their shoulders at American soldiers.

Your version of 'unthinkable' is SOP to a great many other muzzies.

I'm beginning to think you're not very truthful, Jafar. Are you hiding something? Got something you want to get off your chest?

[NightTrain]

And munitions storage facility.

Hahahaha!! You're still my hero, Gaffer.

[jafar00]

You must not get news over there other than Al-Jazeera. And here I thought Australia would have a decent news industry.

There were LOTS of mosques being used to fight from in the last 10 years, and a few of them even came complete with women and children to stand in the windows in front of the courageous muzzies firing AK-47s & RPGs over their shoulders at American soldiers.

Your version of 'unthinkable' is SOP to a great many other muzzies.

I'm beginning to think you're not very truthful, Jafar. Are you hiding something? Got something you want to get off your chest?

Well, you did bring them war and death. The Mosque is the best place of refuge. When you attacked them, they had no choice but to defend themselves, to the death if that was necessary.

If you were taking refuge in a Church and a foreign invasion army was firing on you, what would you do about it?