Real food - is that too much to ask?

[darin]

I think - make that I KNOW - that I can make a case that providing meals for school students increases their chances of academic success.

First problem: Define Success. Second problem define: increased chances. Third problem: Do not use statistics. Forth problem: Tie the meal from the school as the DEFINING or significantly-contributing factor to 'increased chances' and 'success' - again, after you defined those. Fifth: Explain why it's my problem (via my tax dollars) if another person's kid has (properly defined) increased chances for (properly defined) success.

Now of course you can come back with parents should be providing meals and you are absolutely correct, Please start telling as many people as you can that they need to start raising their own damned kids and let our schools concentrate on education. Good luck convincing them.

You're what we call an 'enabler'.

[ConHog]

First problem: Define Success. Second problem define: increased chances. Third problem: Do not use statistics. Forth problem: Tie the meal from the school as the DEFINING or significantly-contributing factor to 'increased chances' and 'success' - again, after you defined those. Fifth: Explain why it's my problem (via my tax dollars) if another person's kid has (properly defined) increased chances for (properly defined) success.



You're what we call an 'enabler'.

Simple. If we give kids every advantage to succeed they are less likely to need government assistance later on in life.

Of all the government waste are you really going to quibble over school lunches?

[darin]

Simple. If we give kids every advantage to succeed they are less likely to need government assistance later on in life.

Or, eliminate the gov't assistance later in life and kids have a stronger motivation to succeed.

Of all the government waste are you really going to quibble over school lunches?

Red Herring.

[Gunny]

Simple. If we give kids every advantage to succeed they are less likely to need government assistance later on in life.

Of all the government waste are you really going to quibble over school lunches?

I'm your huckleberry.

There isn't a quibble because I'll be damned if anyone is telling me what to feed my kids. They need government assistance because the government is feeding them its own PC BS. I was 5'10" and 150 lbs in junion high. I had a sandwich, chips, fruit, a drink and desert EVERY day.

Obviously, it's not the food itself.

I also played EVERy sport in the world (that requires balls, anyway). I built my own bicycles and wrecked them jumping shitcans as fast as I could build them. Maybe people ought to quit looking for the government to bail out their own lack of responsibility and try being parents.

[DragonStryk72]

Well, let's start off: School lunches are usually paid for by the students, and are kept somewhat cheap, with the ability to borrow from the office in the case you forget/lose your lunch in some way. At least, this is the way it was back in 93-97 when I was in high school. Yes, being well fed puts you in a better mindset for studies, better studying produces better grades, and unless you're going to prove that starving people study better, DMP, then I have to side with CH here.

However, the offering of school lunches and breakfasts isn't really the issue here. That's a discussion for another thread. It's what is in the school lunches that's an issue. As the woman said in her speech, We have never done any sort of testing on these proteins and such that are being put into the vast overwhelming majority of the food, while we are making the people who don't want the chemicals in theirs do a greater degree of regular testing and forcing them to pay extra fees that raise their price points on making the food.

In the Navy, we're extremely picky about food prep, because we have to be. One simple case of undercooked chicken grounded more than half of our 1000 man crew to food poisoning, including myself. This is why things in the military tend to be overcooked a ways, because they have to be certain than nothing gets into the crew. If you look at food as our fuel, then you realize you have to be careful what you're putting in the tank, just as putting diesel in an unleaded only engine would be a bad thing, the reverse is also true. Now, imagine that all the gas stations in the USA had switched their fuel, but of course, people don't know this, because they just stick the nozzle into the gas tank and fill up. What would happen to the cars, and what would be the fall out nationwide?

It's the same thing with our food. People believe that the government is by and large making sure the food is safe before it makes it to the store or restaurant, so we just buy the food when we get there figuring it's good enough. This of course isn't true as we're finding out, and this woman seems to have stumbled upon a key part of the of the problem. It's what gets done with that information.

[Gunny]

Well, let's start off: School lunches are usually paid for by the students, and are kept somewhat cheap, with the ability to borrow from the office in the case you forget/lose your lunch in some way. At least, this is the way it was back in 93-97 when I was in high school. Yes, being well fed puts you in a better mindset for studies, better studying produces better grades, and unless you're going to prove that starving people study better, DMP, then I have to side with CH here.

However, the offering of school lunches and breakfasts isn't really the issue here. That's a discussion for another thread. It's what is in the school lunches that's an issue. As the woman said in her speech, We have never done any sort of testing on these proteins and such that are being put into the vast overwhelming majority of the food, while we are making the people who don't want the chemicals in theirs do a greater degree of regular testing and forcing them to pay extra fees that raise their price points on making the food.

In the Navy, we're extremely picky about food prep, because we have to be. One simple case of undercooked chicken grounded more than half of our 1000 man crew to food poisoning, including myself. This is why things in the military tend to be overcooked a ways, because they have to be certain than nothing gets into the crew. If you look at food as our fuel, then you realize you have to be careful what you're putting in the tank, just as putting diesel in an unleaded only engine would be a bad thing, the reverse is also true. Now, imagine that all the gas stations in the USA had switched their fuel, but of course, people don't know this, because they just stick the nozzle into the gas tank and fill up. What would happen to the cars, and what would be the fall out nationwide?

It's the same thing with our food. People believe that the government is by and large making sure the food is safe before it makes it to the store or restaurant, so we just buy the food when we get there figuring it's good enough. This of course isn't true as we're finding out, and this woman seems to have stumbled upon a key part of the of the problem. It's what gets done with that information.

You were in HS 93-97? *Ahem* 74-77?

And way to blame overcooked Navy food on health.

[DragonStryk72]

You were in HS 93-97? *Ahem* 74-77?

And way to blame overcooked Navy food on health.

lol, it's in the god damned manuals! Like, if you look at the listed cook times and such, they're all set about 5-15 minutes longer than they should be.

[SassyLady]

I was one of those kids who got "free" lunches, but we had to work on the cafeteria line as an exchange. I had to hand out milk so everyone in school knew I was getting a free lunch. So, the whole concept of bullies picking on the poor kids is not new.

[gabosaurus]

Obviously, it's not the food itself.

It's called "heredity." Some people can eat nothing and be 200 pounds. Others (like myself and my sister) can eat everything put in front of us and barely tip 100 pounds.
Now stupidity, that is not heredity in most cases. You're stupid because you want to be stupid. Or because you are a Republican.

[Noir]

If someone believes the food their child is getting in school is not healthy/good enough, then send your kids to school with prepared meals that are to your satisfaction.
Simple.

[darin]

If someone believes the food their child is getting in school is not healthy/good enough, then send your kids to school with prepared meals that are to your satisfaction.
Simple.

Even simpler - send your kid to the school with a meal that meets your requirements.

[fj1200]

Simple. If we give kids every advantage to succeed they are less likely to need government assistance later on in life.

Of all the government waste are you really going to quibble over school lunches?

Well if you look at it issue-by-issue then it's easy to say, "hey, let's just provide them some breakfast..." Then it's an easy leap to make. If you say, "hey, we're providing yet another service that takes away responsibility from where it should be..." Then that should be a completely different answer.

[ConHog]

Well if you look at it issue-by-issue then it's easy to say, "hey, let's just provide them some breakfast..." Then it's an easy leap to make. If you say, "hey, we're providing yet another service that takes away responsibility from where it should be..." Then that should be a completely different answer.

Sorry, I don't favor teaching parents a lesson on responsibility via letting their kids go hungry at school.

Now, THAT being said, I WOULD favor making parents who's children receive free or reduced priced lunches do some volunteer work at the school to help offset the cost. No different than I would favor making welfare recipients perform volunteer work in their communities.

To me that's a win win. Schools always have yard work that needs to be done, janitorial work, kitchen help, just whatever............. Same with most communities have trash on the roads that need to be picked up, at the very least.

[Gunny]

Sorry, I don't favor teaching parents a lesson on responsibility via letting their kids go hungry at school.

Now, THAT being said, I WOULD favor making parents who's children receive free or reduced priced lunches do some volunteer work at the school to help offset the cost. No different than I would favor making welfare recipients perform volunteer work in their communities.

To me that's a win win. Schools always have yard work that needs to be done, janitorial work, kitchen help, just whatever............. Same with most communities have trash on the roads that need to be picked up, at the very least.

And I don't believe in the government telling parents how to raise their children.

If you can't be responsible enough to be a parent, keep your legs closed.

[ConHog]

And I don't believe in the government telling parents how to raise their children.

If you can't be responsible enough to be a parent, keep your legs closed.

What does that have to do with providing reduced price or free lunches? If you're hinting about the incident where a school just on their own decided a home supplied meal wasn't good enough. I'm on your side. Those employees would be GONE if they were at the school that I'm a school member of. End of story.