True to our Native Land

[Yurt]

caveat -- i know obama's church has been brought up before, however, it needs to be brought up again. if the mods feel this should be joined with that thread, cool, no worries. i just wanted to bring a stark and fresh look at what is looking like the next president.

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Obama's church -- Trinity United Church of Christ

We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.

http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

i believe someone posted something about obama and his followers fearing death, imagine a white person running for president whose church adhered to these same values, except:

We are a congregation which is Unashamedly WHITE and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the WHITE religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an EUROPEAN people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a WHITE worship service and ministries which address the WHITE Community.

Oh yes, whites have been slaves and have experienced the same things. Don't forget how far Rome spread during her tenure. the european whites were savages, slaves and thought of as less than human.

regardless, the most important thing about his faith is this:

true to our native land

by definition his loyalty necessarily must not be with the United States of America. this is not to say that one cannot be loyal to "god" which arguably is not the united states, however, this is different, in that, his loyalty is to another land. his native land. he must remain true to that land, not this land.

[Kathianne]

I've said the same, posted the same, over and over. I really don't get the difference between those that back him and those that back Ron Paul. For the record, I disagree with both.

[retiredman]

bringing up white slavery from the roman empire is a tad far fetched. the fact of the matter is: black people IN THIS COUNTRY were considered property not all that long ago in the sweep of human history. Black people were preemptorily lynched long after they had been freed from the bonds of slavery. Black people were disenfranchised politically in my lifetime. Black people in America have a long and bitter history of second class citizenship. Obama's church seeks to uplift them. His church has the backing and unequivocal support of the United Church of Christ - which is my denomination. But DO keep acting as if being black in America is no different than being white. DO keep making this a major issue in your attempts to denigrate a virtuous public servant. I expected nothing more...and I am sure, neither did he.

[Yurt]

manfrommaine;206462]bringing up white slavery from the roman empire is a tad far fetched. the fact of the matter is: black people IN THIS COUNTRY were considered property not all that long ago in the sweep of human history.

the way you and your cohorts are going........we might as well bring up slavery from the roman era

Black people were preemptorily lynched long after they had been freed from the bonds of slavery. Black people were disenfranchised politically in my lifetime.

al sharpton just called me and said you are full of black caca cuz his man his running for office. good lord, do you realize the logical fallacy of your statements? you apparently have a timeline on when slavery should no longer be considered, however, it appears that for "you" the black man's issue reigns supreme and should never be forgotten.

as you once told me --> he was editor of the harvard law review i believe that was approximately 18 years ago.

Black people in America have a long and bitter history of second class citizenship.

as do the irish, jews...... cry me a river. fat people, short people, all are second class citizens. don't forget, he made harvard law review editor.

Obama's church seeks to uplift them. His church has the backing and unequivocal support of the United Church of Christ - which is my denomination. But DO keep acting as if being black in America is no different than being white. DO keep making this a major issue in your attempts to denigrate a virtuous public servant. I expected nothing more...and I am sure, neither did he.

why didn't you throw in chinese, mexican, indians, and so called half breeds? why isn't he "white" why is it that he is only black to you. and i will make this a major issue:

and remain "true to our native land,"

you are blind if you fail to see the issue. and if a white person said half of what this church said in their "this is us" memo, you would be literally frothing at the mouth.

seriously, get some objectivity and really see what his church stands for and where his loyalty MUST be.

[retiredman]

the way you and your cohorts are going........we might as well bring up slavery from the roman era



al sharpton just called me and said you are full of black caca cuz his man his running for office. good lord, do you realize the logical fallacy of your statements? you apparently have a timeline on when slavery should no longer be considered, however, it appears that for "you" the black man's issue reigns supreme and should never be forgotten.

as you once told me --> he was editor of the harvard law review i believe that was approximately 18 years ago.



as do the irish, jews...... cry me a river. fat people, short people, all are second class citizens. don't forget, he made harvard law review editor.




why didn't you throw in chinese, mexican, indians, and so called half breeds? why isn't he "white" why is it that he is only black to you. and i will make this a major issue:




you are blind if you fail to see the issue. and if a white person said half of what this church said in their "this is us" memo, you would be literally frothing at the mouth.

seriously, get some objectivity and really see what his church stands for and where his loyalty MUST be.

I don't know of any white people whose ancestors were brought to America against their will as property.

I have objectivity. I happen to belong to his denomination. My church is fully supportive of his chuch's mission. Uplifting and empowering blacks on the south side of CHicago to lift themselves up from economic empoverishment is a noble mission. The UCC is fully supportive of Trinity. SO am I.

[Yurt]

=manfrommaine;206479]I don't know of any white people whose ancestors were brought to America against their will as property.

and this matters........why? because a "black" person is running for president.... get over yourself.

I have objectivity. I happen to belong to his denomination.

bullshit. you have no objectivity and have lost all reason by supporting that church's ideals. why don't you go back to the motherland? if your commitment is to the motherland, why are you here?

My church is fully supportive of his chuch's mission. Uplifting and empowering blacks on the south side of CHicago to lift themselves up from economic empoverishment is a noble mission. The UCC is fully supportive of Trinity. SO am I.

you are the biggest hypocrite i have ever met. you shun white slavery because it happened (x) years ago, yet, you have to qualms about forever "uplifting" dark skinned people.

you ALSO again have failed to address the "motherland"

what say you to the loyalty? and don't ignore it ............ again

[DragonStryk72]

I don't know of any white people whose ancestors were brought to America against their will as property.

I have objectivity. I happen to belong to his denomination. My church is fully supportive of his chuch's mission. Uplifting and empowering blacks on the south side of CHicago to lift themselves up from economic empoverishment is a noble mission. The UCC is fully supportive of Trinity. SO am I.

Unfortunately, gonna have to catch you on this one. Numerous settlers in the beginnings of America were brought over here under terms of indenture, as well as to ship off criminals that they didn't want hanging around Europe anymore (somewhat the same way they used australia originally). Now, the terms of indenture, unfortunately, were never specifically clear, save for a few honest holders, and so, a person could have costs "tacked on" to their indenture, or paid out the indenture rate so slowly, that they would never make it out from under it in their lifetimes.

Now, as to the plight of black communities, I do understand there's intolerance in the world, racism is real, but things are nowhere near where they were in this country during the civil rights movement. No one even bats an eyelash at the thought that Obama is of mixed ethnicity these days, but forty years ago? Not a chance in hell he would have held public office, certainly not as a senator, and even less a viable candidate for the presidency.

the problem is that the root of the problem in our society is no longer race-related, but class-related. The inner cities are not exclusively black communities, all races are held within now. We need to stop focusing so much on the color of a person's skin (No matter how much you may not wish to admit it, promoting black kids ahead of white kids is still based on skin color), and start focusing on helping the people who need help the most, regardless of their skin.

[Dilloduck]

bringing up white slavery from the roman empire is a tad far fetched. the fact of the matter is: black people IN THIS COUNTRY were considered property not all that long ago in the sweep of human history. Black people were preemptorily lynched long after they had been freed from the bonds of slavery. Black people were disenfranchised politically in my lifetime. Black people in America have a long and bitter history of second class citizenship. Obama's church seeks to uplift them. His church has the backing and unequivocal support of the United Church of Christ - which is my denomination. But DO keep acting as if being black in America is no different than being white. DO keep making this a major issue in your attempts to denigrate a virtuous public servant. I expected nothing more...and I am sure, neither did he.

So what's the latest plan the "uplift" blacks ?

[Yurt]

So what's the latest plan the "uplift" blacks ?

ever wonder why oprah jumped on his bandwagon so quick?

[Dilloduck]

ever wonder why oprah jumped on his bandwagon so quick?

So are we talknig about plastic surgery here or what ?

[Pale Rider]

bringing up white slavery from the roman empire is a tad far fetched. the fact of the matter is: black people IN THIS COUNTRY were considered property not all that long ago in the sweep of human history. Black people were preemptorily lynched long after they had been freed from the bonds of slavery. Black people were disenfranchised politically in my lifetime. Black people in America have a long and bitter history of second class citizenship. Obama's church seeks to uplift them. His church has the backing and unequivocal support of the United Church of Christ - which is my denomination. But DO keep acting as if being black in America is no different than being white. DO keep making this a major issue in your attempts to denigrate a virtuous public servant. I expected nothing more...and I am sure, neither did he.

So... when a black man is all about uplifting blacks, it's all fine and dandy. But when a white man is all about uplifting whites, he's a filthy racist. It's a double standard and a travesty, and if people were truly NOT racist in any shape, way or form, they wouldn't be party to any exclusively race based, "uplifting" entities, of any type. How blacks get away with it, I don't know... how a *CHURCH* gets away with it is even a bigger mystery.

[avatar4321]

So... when a black man is all about uplifting blacks, it's all fine and dandy. But when a white man is all about uplifting whites, he's a filthy racist. It's a double standard and a travesty, and if people were truly NOT racist in any shape, way or form, they wouldn't be party to any exclusively race based, "uplifting" entities, of any type. How blacks get away with it, I don't know... how a *CHURCH* gets away with it is even a bigger mystery.

That's exactly why i asked earlier why they didnt focus on just uplifting people in general. That is what Christ wants us to do. I've never seen Christ tell us to only uplift certain races. It just seems completely contrary to the message of the Gospel. The good news of the Gospel is specifically that Christ descended below all things so we can rise above them.

[retiredman]

That's exactly why i asked earlier why they didnt focus on just uplifting people in general. That is what Christ wants us to do. I've never seen Christ tell us to only uplift certain races. It just seems completely contrary to the message of the Gospel. The good news of the Gospel is specifically that Christ descended below all things so we can rise above them.

you should consider their neighborhood...

[GW in Ohio]

bringing up white slavery from the roman empire is a tad far fetched. the fact of the matter is: black people IN THIS COUNTRY were considered property not all that long ago in the sweep of human history. Black people were preemptorily lynched long after they had been freed from the bonds of slavery. Black people were disenfranchised politically in my lifetime. Black people in America have a long and bitter history of second class citizenship. Obama's church seeks to uplift them. His church has the backing and unequivocal support of the United Church of Christ - which is my denomination. But DO keep acting as if being black in America is no different than being white. DO keep making this a major issue in your attempts to denigrate a virtuous public servant. I expected nothing more...and I am sure, neither did he.

manfrommaine: You did a good job of responding.

[Dilloduck]

manfrommaine: You did a good job of responding.

oh shit another one