The Noahide Movement

[TheSage]

Really, needed to tell all again?

If you'll notice this is the only thread on the noahide movement explicitly. The forum was erased. Remember? duh.

[Evil]

If you'll notice this is the only thread on the noahide movement explicitly. The forum was erased. Remember? duh.

Thing is who would of forgotten?

[TheSage]

Thing is who would of forgotten?

Thing is...THis is a public forum. There are new viewers here as well.

Either discuss the subject matter or get off my hump.

[Gaffer]

Don't want to discuss your subject. I want to change the subject and talk about something else like you do in the other threads.

I'm taking this thread to cuba.

[MtnBiker]

I'm taking this thread to cuba.

I've heard they make cigars.

[Gaffer]

I heard that too. maybe cindy shithand will pick up a few to bring back with her. She can then go visit slick willie and he'll show her how to use them.

[MtnBiker]

She can then go visit slick willie and he'll show her how to use them.

Whoa! that's a bad visual.

[TheSage]

Don't want to discuss your subject. I want to change the subject and talk about something else like you do in the other threads.

I'm taking this thread to cuba.

Find a thread where I'm "hijacking" and I will re-explain to you the relevance of my comments. You probably just didn't see the connection. Deal? Otherwise, stow it.

[TheSage]

three levels of noahide convert.

http://jesus-messiah.com/html/noahide.html
There Are Three Levels Of Noahide Converts

Level #1: Is the person or group who thinks they can keep the Law as a matter of choice. These believe that to keep the law by choice makes their keeping the law by *faith.* These reinterpret Paul's writings in such a manner that they have Paul saying that a person can keep the Law by faith as long as they also claim salvation by Jesus. They reinterpret Paul to say that if a person keeps the Law for salvation and does not believe in Jesus, the Law by itself can not save. These have the doctrine that it takes both Law and Jesus to save a person. These also teach and believe that Jesus saves them and then puts the Law in their heart. The New Covenant then is not New in the sense of a different or replacement one, but the old Covenant written in the heart. Thus, the word *New* means Old but new only because a person has a new heart as its sanctuary. These believe the Law is the New Covenant and the Gospel must convert the world to the Law or it is a false Gospel. These reject animal sacrifices and the Old Testament Priesthood but praise to the high heaven modern Rabbis who are nothing but Pharisees under a new identity. The Talmud is the Bible of these Rabbis?

Level #2: Is the person or group who believes that the Law Covenant was not ended at Calvary. They believe that both the Law and the Gospel are different in purpose. These believe the New Covenant adds Gentiles to the Law but Jews only need keep the Old Covenant they have no part in the New Covenant. They believe the two Covenants are in existence parallel at the same time. This is called Dual Covenant Theology. What this person believes, is that the Law is for Jews and the New Covenant is for Gentiles to make them converts to the concision, but won't use the word *concision* because it idenifies their actual religious philosophy.

These also believe that animal sacrifices maybe offered to Jesus by Jews and Gentiles if done by *faith* and *free-will* providing they are not offered for atonement or the remission of sins? They strongly demand that the New Covenant includes Law-keeping. These teach and believe that it was the plan of Jesus to bring all the world under the provisions of keeping the Law by and through the preaching of the Gospel of Grace. So Gentiles are by the Grace of God brought to Law-keeping through Jesus as the Messiah. Gentiles are then saved by grace but afterward they must keep the Law or they cannot be saved or continue to claim salvation. These believe the current Jews have all the revelation on the Scriptures and that Catholic and Protestant teachings against Law-keeping are antisemitic. This group looks for the Jews to accept Jesus as Messiah and if the Jews continue in Law-keeping by faith and or animal sacrifices, then they are saved none-the-less.

Level #3: This person or group flat out denies Jesus was the Messiah and claims that the whole world must be converted to the Seven Noahide Laws or they not only cannot be saved, they must be destroyed from the earth because they are worse than dogs who would deny the lofty and excellent life of Law-keeping. These believe the Pharisee Rabbis who are modern Talmudist are the only Ministers of God to the world and their words are the words of God. They teach no one can change the word or law of a Rabbi and a Gentile cannot tell or teach these Rabbis anything. The red heifer deal of the Rabbis saying they want to understand Christianity is all a falsehood. All they want is Christian money!

These Gentile converts to Noahidism wear all the Jewish paraphernalia in Synagogue worship including the males wearing a god-hat. These make several trips to Israel and never come home with a crown of thrones to testify of their aliyeh to Messiah Jesus (although they visit all the Jesus tourist sites to get more holy or improve their salvation experience), but they come back all boasting about that god-hat that gets them into Jewish holy places and the Synagogues. These come to love the wailing wall more than they do Calvary. These hate anyone who teaches that the New Testament is the New Covenant and that it replaced the Law.

Now that you are aware of the head-on-battle, the question is, will making this information help to save some innocent and tender heart from becoming an antichrist by conversion to the Seven Noahide Laws ? Will providing this background save someone from denying the full or a partial work of Calvary? We hope so.