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    Quote Originally Posted by -Cp View Post
    He did? Where and when?
    During the creation when He set it in motion.

    However, Im sure He would be more than happy to verify it to you if you discussed it with Him sometime.
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    What is marriage?

    Is being married in accordance with one's church and/or state any better than a sincere commitment between two people? No. The people involved make the marriage, not a ceremony or piece of paper with a state's seal of "approval" on it.

    Being married doesn't save a marriage either. It does provide a handy stick to beat someone with in the case of any form of spousal abuse - physical, mental, emotional. And it has an amazing capacity to up the guilt factor in those who let others try to tell them what is "right", when only the people involved know the circumstances.


    People want to try a two year marriage? Go for it. When I get my life perfect, then I'll start trying to tell others how they should live. Until then, I've got my hands full dealing with figuring out how to live my own life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jess View Post
    What is marriage?

    Is being married in accordance with one's church and/or state any better than a sincere commitment between two people? No. The people involved make the marriage, not a ceremony or piece of paper with a state's seal of "approval" on it.

    Being married doesn't save a marriage either. It does provide a handy stick to beat someone with in the case of any form of spousal abuse - physical, mental, emotional. And it has an amazing capacity to up the guilt factor in those who let others try to tell them what is "right", when only the people involved know the circumstances.


    People want to try a two year marriage? Go for it. When I get my life perfect, then I'll start trying to tell others how they should live. Until then, I've got my hands full dealing with figuring out how to live my own life.
    that's sounds pretty good, and I think most people can agree with the sentiment but Marragie is a PUBLIC and private arrangement. the Man an Woman for life thing, as well as being outlined by God, carries with it a PUBLIC acknowledgment of a commitment to each other for life in general, as a family unit and for any children. Basically saying Hey we are together we are not available on certain levels anymore. Nor should we be considered as just 2 individuals. Plus in the modern age the legal connections outline benefits and protections to that social unit. Joint money... property... life insurance... inheritance... etc..

    SO it's more than just 2 people trying to get along.
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    whats the point !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    marriage is a religious thing, why is it being converted slowly into a business deal in US ???

    why does some people want to convert religion into a business, they already have the freedom of having sex, so they can live together for 2 years without marriage, or does that contract make their life better knowing that if your partner dies you will get your share of his money ???, is it about money, or is it about the illusion of marriage or what ???

    if a couple want to wear rings, live in the same house, call themselfs husband and wife, have kids, live as a family, they can already do all that without destroying the divine meaning of marriage.

    i dont really know why many people in USA want to destroy every aspect of christianity, i fear that oneday churchs will be closed because religion will exist no more on those lands.

    i hope that i will never see a law like that in any place, i dont want to see marriage turned into just another business contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abso View Post
    i hope that i will never see a law like that in any place, i dont want to see marriage turned into just another business contract.
    Many, many muslims I know of are in "arranged" marriages. I also know of many that are FORCED into these marriages. I know of many that were ostracized from their communities for seeking a divorce. But I guess it's all good in islamic communities, as apparently those "contracts" allow for the beating of the woman if she doesn't cooperate with her man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Cp View Post
    What a great idea!

    Couples unwilling to commit "till death do they part" will be able to sign short-term marriage contracts under a proposal being considered by Mexico City lawmakers. Couples will be able to choose the term of their marriage, with a minimum length of two years, and renew the contract if they stay happy, according to a reform put forward by the liberal Democratic Revolution Party.


    Go vote at:


    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion<WBR>/2011/10/03/two-year-marriage-<WBR>worth-try/
    Typical mind set of this selfish " it's all about me" generation...If I'm not made to be "happy" I quit. If you aren't going to "commit" to something 100%, then don't even bother in the first place. That's my opinion. Who wants half assed participation...with a built in escape hatch for when the other party gets "bored".

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    It's a law being considered in Mexico, not the US. And most likely it's got to do with some high ranking officials wanting to get quick divorces and not being tied down to the same wife when there are so many pretty senoritas out there. You can bet it's something that benefits the politicians and doesn't effect the regular people at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    Many, many muslims I know of are in "arranged" marriages. I also know of many that are FORCED into these marriages. I know of many that were ostracized from their communities for seeking a divorce. But I guess it's all good in islamic communities, as apparently those "contracts" allow for the beating of the woman if she doesn't cooperate with her man.
    Dude, up until the industrial revolution, WE did arranged marriages, and WE still allowed for the beating of wives. Aside from that, this isn't the thread for that discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonStryk72 View Post
    Dude, up until the industrial revolution, WE did arranged marriages, and WE still allowed for the beating of wives. Aside from that, this isn't the thread for that discussion.
    And cavemen used to drag their women back to the caves by their hair. Then people became more and more civilized. Someone forgot to tell the muslims about this "civilized" thing. Comparing people in different eras sounds more to me like an excuse to not recognize the CURRENT problems. "WE" don't do arranged marriages or find acceptance in the beating of women anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    And cavemen used to drag their women back to the caves by their hair. Then people became more and more civilized. Someone forgot to tell the muslims about this "civilized" thing. Comparing people in different eras sounds more to me like an excuse to not recognize the CURRENT problems. "WE" don't do arranged marriages or find acceptance in the beating of women anymore.
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    Never stated others didn't exist like the schmuck Connery, Certainly, the US, and other civilized countries have their share of abuse towards women. But would ANYONE dare think the percentages/numbers are even REMOTELY comparable?

    ALL abuse towards women should be stopped. But by a FAR margin, abuse of women in Islamic countries is much higher than everywhere else. Same as terrorism. Surely you'll find various forms and locations - but by a FAR margin, terrorism is committed by muslims. People seem to get turned away when I make comments like this, and even defensive, for themselves or others - but the facts are the facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    Never stated others didn't exist like the schmuck Connery, Certainly, the US, and other civilized countries have their share of abuse towards women. But would ANYONE dare think the percentages/numbers are even REMOTELY comparable?

    ALL abuse towards women should be stopped. But by a FAR margin, abuse of women in Islamic countries is much higher than everywhere else. Same as terrorism. Surely you'll find various forms and locations - but by a FAR margin, terrorism is committed by muslims. People seem to get turned away when I make comments like this, and even defensive, for themselves or others - but the facts are the facts.
    Indeed. I'm sick of the 'equivalency' arguments, there really isn't any. Those that make them are saying the few anti-abortion nuts, (how many attempts? How many successful?), are equivalent of the Muslim extremists. They are not. Neither in numbers or 'success.' Then there is the problem of the 'greater Christians' and 'greater Muslims' regarding support for the nuts. With the nutters in Christian realm there are denials not only in press, but from pulpits. Indeed, there are condemnations written online, on editorial newspaper sites, including editorial letters, etc.

    Regarding the Muslims, comes the Abso mini mees. 'While I don't condone it, I understand it. It's the fault of .....'


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    Many, many muslims I know of are in "arranged" marriages. I also know of many that are FORCED into these marriages. I know of many that were ostracized from their communities for seeking a divorce. But I guess it's all good in islamic communities, as apparently those "contracts" allow for the beating of the woman if she doesn't cooperate with her man.
    and who said that i like forced marriages ??? did i ever say that i like to see a girl forced into a marriage ?

    in Islam, for a marriage to be valid, the girl must give her consent, some fathers ignore that rule and thinks that they have the right to force their daughters into marriage, but of course that is WRONG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abso View Post
    and who said that i like forced marriages ??? did i ever say that i like to see a girl forced into a marriage ?

    in Islam, for a marriage to be valid, the girl must give her consent, some fathers ignore that rule and thinks that they have the right to force their daughters into marriage, but of course that is WRONG.
    Some or many? Get honest here.


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