Black Kid killed for being black

[jimnyc]

It is not only black congressmen and senators speaking about about this Florida laws problems. Why is it NO GOP congressmen, not ONE, gave the Martin family enough respect to show up and listen to their concerns?

It leaves me to believe they don't care about the Martin family. You probably have some creative excuse to give them.

And you wonder why black people overwhelmingly vote for democrats. Who is listening to them when they have concerns about justice?

The black politicians were speaking of the incident, not the law. And please, can you post links to show where the white politicians are doing the same as them? You've made this claim repeatedly but I don't think I saw a link yet.

John Boehner spoke out, in an APPROPRIATE manner:

House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), asked about the incident, said: "Our hearts go out to his family over this tragedy. And clearly, what happened is in fact a tragedy. It's being investigated by state and federal officials, which I think is appropriate. And I think I'll leave it at that.

As for no GOP being there... The Martin family came solely to speak to the House Judiciary Committee - are you telling me that ONLY Democrats make up this committee?

Originally Posted by jimnyc
I've asked the loony fucking Wing Nut to back her comments about me directly. She refuses. I asked her to backup her comments about white politicians. She refuses. I ask her to backup comments about "facts" she states about this case, and she tells me to "do your own homework".

WS seems to be a pathological liar. Who ever engages her in a "debate" should be aware of her debating techniques, which is basically to lie aka make shit up and to vilify the person she is debating with, and then run like hell when questioned and asked to backup certain statements.

Emotionally unstable Wing Nut.

This post was made at 12:52
You retraction was posted at 12:58

You are going over and over that I continued to call you names after you made your retraction. This was 100% made up. I even thanked you for your retraction.

Why is it NO GOP congressmen, not ONE, gave the Martin family enough respect to show up and listen to their concerns?

Lamar Smith was there.
Jim Sensenbrenner was there.
Howard Coble was there.
Elton Gallegly was there.
Bob Goodlatte was there.
Dan Lungren
....

I'll save everyone the time on the rest of the list. Suffice to say, a very minimum of 23 GOP congressmen/women showed up.

[Wind Song]

The black politicians were speaking of the incident, not the law. And please, can you post links to show where the white politicians are doing the same as them? You've made this claim repeatedly but I don't think I saw a link yet.

John Boehner spoke out, in an APPROPRIATE manner:



As for no GOP being there... The Martin family came solely to speak to the House Judiciary Committee - are you telling me that ONLY Democrats make up this committee?

Not ONE GOP congressman was there to listen to the Martin family. Here's what I'm learning Jim. I read fast and then I don't write the link down. I read that NOT ONE GOP was present to listen to the Martin's.

[jimnyc]

Not ONE GOP congressman was there to listen to the Martin family.

23 at the very minimum. You need to get your facts straight.

[Wind Song]

23 at the very minimum. You need to get your facts straight.

What I need to do, is compulsively post a link after I've referred to something I've read. Thank you for helping me be a better poster.

I used to do that, at another forum, and I got so sick of people saying it wasn't true because the source wasn't Fox, WND, or some other con blog. The other thing that used to happen, was I'd put a TON of links in, and no one would read them. No excuse.

My bad habit. I'll work on it.

[darin]

My browser hiccuped - I think I may have jacked up the post below, combining posts by two users. Sorry guys.

The black politicians were speaking of the incident, not the law. And please, can you post links to show where the white politicians are doing the same as them? You've made this claim repeatedly but I don't think I saw a link yet.

John Boehner spoke out, in an APPROPRIATE manner:



As for no GOP being there... The Martin family came solely to speak to the House Judiciary Committee - are you telling me that ONLY Democrats make up this committee?



This post was made at 12:52
You retraction was posted at 12:58

You are going over and over that I continued to call you names after you made your retraction. This was 100% made up. I even thanked you for your retraction.



Lamar Smith was there.
Jim Sensenbrenner was there.
Howard Coble was there.
Elton Gallegly was there.
Bob Goodlatte was there.
Dan Lungren
....

I'll save everyone the time on the rest of the list. Suffice to say, a very minimum of 23 GOP congressmen/women showed up.

[Wind Song]

Since "Stand Your ground was enacted in Florida, the number of Florida cases found to be justifiable homicide has nearly tripled from an average 12 a year to 33.



STATE SEN. OSCAR BRAYNON: I think we may be getting some unintended consequences.

In Miami a judge dismissed murder charges against a man who chased a suspected burglar for more than a block before catching him and stabbing him to death. Greg Allen, NPR News, Miami.
http://www.npr.org/2012/03/23/149204...er-teens-death

[logroller]

Since "Stand Your ground was enacted in Florida, the number of Florida cases found to be justifiable homicide has nearly tripled from an average 12 a year to 33.



STATE SEN. OSCAR BRAYNON: I think we may be getting some unintended consequences.

In Miami a judge dismissed murder charges against a man who chased a suspected burglar for more than a block before catching him and stabbing him to death. Greg Allen, NPR News, Miami.
http://www.npr.org/2012/03/23/149204...er-teens-death

What does that case have to do with Zimmerman/Martin?

Many legal experts claim the "stand your ground" law has no bearing on the Martin/Zimmerman case. That its either self-defense or murder-- not that Zimmerman is immune to prosecution.

In sum: there is not a shred of support for the claim that Florida law protects, or has protected Zimmerman, if he unlawfully attacked Martin. If Zimmerman’s story is true (Martin attacked him, putting him in imminent peril of grave bodily injury, with no opportunity to retreat), then Zimmerman’s self-defense claim would be valid under the laws of Florida, New York, or any other Anglo-American jurisdiction. The particular legal changes resulting from Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” and “Castle Doctrine” laws (deadly force in the home/automobile; no duty to retreat in public places; Fourth Amendment arrest standard affirmation; protection from civil suits) simply have nothing to do with whether Zimmerman’s actions were or were not lawful.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/polit...f-defense-laws

[Wind Song]

What does that case have to do with Zimmerman/Martin?

Many legal experts claim the "stand your ground" law has no bearing on the Martin/Zimmerman case. That its either self-defense or murder-- not that Zimmerman is immune to prosecution.
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/polit...f-defense-laws

The Stand Your Ground law has alot to do with this case. It has so far, provided Zimmerman with immunity from prosecution.

[logroller]

The Stand Your Ground law has alot to do with this case. It has so far, provided Zimmerman with immunity from prosecution.

Immunity from prosecution under the stand your ground law is decided by a judge; once decided it is binding. There is no quasi-immunity leading up to it. If he were indeed immune, there would be no grounds for a grand jury investigation. At the time of his release, they lacked enough evidence contradicting a self defense claim, thus they lack probable cause. That may change, but that is not immunity.

[Wind Song]

Immunity from prosecution under the stand your ground law is decided by a judge; once decided it is binding. There is no quasi-immunity leading up to it. If he were indeed immune, there would be no grounds for a grand jury investigation. At the time of his release, they lacked enough evidence contradicting a self defense claim, thus they lack probable cause. That may change, but that is not immunity.

Thanks for the clarification.

[fj1200]

Since "Stand Your ground was enacted in Florida, the number of Florida cases found to be justifiable homicide has nearly tripled from an average 12 a year to 33.



STATE SEN. OSCAR BRAYNON: I think we may be getting some unintended consequences.

In Miami a judge dismissed murder charges against a man who chased a suspected burglar for more than a block before catching him and stabbing him to death. Greg Allen, NPR News, Miami.
http://www.npr.org/2012/03/23/149204...er-teens-death

Per usual, you portray it in the worst possible light. The "suspected burglar" swung at Garcia at which point Garcia responded.

But in Greyston Garcia's case, a judge disagreed. Garcia chased the alleged car-radio thief -- Pedro Roteta, 26 -- for more than a block, the Herald reports. Roteta, carrying a four-pound bag of car radios, swung the bag at Garcia's head; Garcia blocked the bag with one hand and stabbed Roteta in the chest.
Roteta's swinging of the bag could have caused serious bodily injury or death, and placed Garcia in fear for his life, the judge wrote.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...95476820120329

Not that he's going to be nominated for sainthood on this of course.

[Wind Song]

Per usual, you portray it in the worst possible light. The "suspected burglar" swung at Garcia at which point Garcia responded.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...95476820120329

Not that he's going to be nominated for sainthood on this of course.

So, you think he had a right to chase and stab the suspect to death?

[fj1200]

So, you think he had a right to chase and stab the suspect to death?

You ask such ridiculous questions. He had a right to chase the suspected burglar and defend himself.

[Wind Song]

You ask such ridiculous questions. He had a right to chase the suspected burglar and defend himself.

When he chased the burglar he ceased to be defending himself, and became an aggressor. He got away with executing the suspect by stabbing him to death.

If you think that's AOK. Fine. I don't. LE couldn't have arrested the burglar and justice instead of vengeance would have been served.

This literally meets the definition of vigilantism: taking the law into your own hands.

[tailfins]

When he chased the burglar he ceased to be defending himself, and became an aggressor. He got away with executing the suspect by stabbing him to death.

If you think that's AOK. Fine. I don't. LE couldn't have arrested the burglar and justice instead of vengeance would have been served.

This literally meets the definition of vigilantism: taking the law into your own hands.

Not in Florida! If someone steals a bike off your front porch, you can legally drop 'em with a firearm. Ask anyone at your favorite espresso stand in Little Havana.