Objective learning, religious style.

[jimnyc]

A woman can have it any way she likes. She can choose to terminate the pregnancy or she can carry the pregnancy to term.

You don't like it that it's the woman's choice, ultimately.

No say, I'll bet.

And this is why women like that will end up paying for their own abortions. No self respecting man that wants their child to live is going to help pay for an abortion. And that's too bad on her, let her deal with her own decisions and consequences that come with them. And women that go into a pregnancy with that attitude, that it's all about them and nothing about the man, then I hope those are the women that get met with deadbeat dads or dads not wanting to be in the picture. Serves them right.

[Wind Song]

And this is why women like that will end up paying for their own abortions. No self respecting man that wants their child to live is going to help pay for an abortion. And that's too bad on her, let her deal with her own decisions and consequences that come with them. And women that go into a pregnancy with that attitude, that it's all about them and nothing about the man, then I hope those are the women that get met with deadbeat dads or dads not wanting to be in the picture. Serves them right.

Plenty of men favor the pregnancy terminated, and should share in abortion costs. If men suppport the pregnancy and so does the women then they need to decide if they can raise the child together or not. The man is required to pay child suppot.

[jimnyc]

Plenty of men favor the pregnancy terminated, and should share in abortion costs. If men suppport the pregnancy and so does the women then they need to decide if they can raise the child together or not. The man is required to pay child suppot.

Keep in mind, it's not ALWAYS the man. There are many times where it's necessary for the woman to pay child support. If a woman did so simply to make the man pay, or to make money, I would hope the man involved would fight for full on custody, and in many of those cases he would then have the child and the woman left paying for the support.

[DragonStryk72]

^I don't disagree with you but we also don't know what the class was. That would have some bearing IMO.

Regardless, telling a person their opinion is an incorrect teaching tool, whether pro or anti-whatever. The essay question was pretty clearly loaded, even if we were talking about a Catholic school.

[Kathianne]

Now, I am pro-life, but yeah, this essay is horrible. I actually went to Catholic school growing up, and I'm thankful to say that they never felt a need to pull this sort of crap on us. Certainly, they were pro-Jesus, but they never let it get in the way of teaching, and letting us come to our own understanding of the world.

Both sides of the fence pull this though, and that's what sucks. Any time where you are telling someone what their personal opinion is supposed to be, and lay out how they're supposed to answer in support of that opinion, you've stopped teaching and start proselytizing, whatever belief it might be that you're putting out.

I have to agree based upon my dealings with Catholic schools, which number 8. They teach Catholic positions, they do not teach birth control or about Planned Parenthood. They state, "The Church teaches that birth control is not to be used because..." I've had kids ask me if I'd used birth control, my response, "I'm here to teach you what the Church's teachings are, not my personal life." It's also pointed out that abortion is killing, birth control is not.

[fj1200]

If a woman doesn't respect the "sperm" rights of her BF and elects to terminate her pregnancy without informing him, so what? Are you saying some casual fling deserves to be involved in her decision? I don't.

Why do you always have to devalue the entirety of the subject into the "casual flings" that happen? If an abortion were not so easy to have do you think that the potential parents might take more responsibility for their actions?

[Abbey Marie]

She chooses - she pays. Not a damned thing she can do if she chooses to terminate and he doesn't want to pay.

Oh, and the hypocrisy in this post makes me want to vomit.

I wonder if this too will change under Obamacare. In a sense we taxpayers are all already paying for funded abortions, aren't we?

[Wind Song]

And this is why women like that will end up paying for their own abortions. No self respecting man that wants their child to live is going to help pay for an abortion. And that's too bad on her, let her deal with her own decisions and consequences that come with them. And women that go into a pregnancy with that attitude, that it's all about them and nothing about the man, then I hope those are the women that get met with deadbeat dads or dads not wanting to be in the picture. Serves them right.

Most women end up paying for their own procedures. You act as if men as complete innocents all the time. They aren't. There are good and bad apples.

[Wind Song]

Why do you always have to devalue the entirety of the subject into the "casual flings" that happen? If an abortion were not so easy to have do you think that the potential parents might take more responsibility for their actions?

You want to blame me for abortions. I wouldn't have one, I wouldn't advise somene to have one. I wouldn't judge and condemn someone who had one. It's their lives. Since the procedure is legal at least it can save the life of the pregnant woman, they don't both have to die.

[Wind Song]

Why do you always have to devalue the entirety of the subject into the "casual flings" that happen? If an abortion were not so easy to have do you think that the potential parents might take more responsibility for their actions?

It isn't only people in committed relationships who become pregnant.

[Noir]

I was with ya Jim, genuinely with ya, and then...

Shut up you fucking retard. The ONLY thing I would ever give a skank like you is a pearl necklace across the face and leave you $2 on the way out the door.

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[Wind Song]

I was with ya Jim, genuinely with ya, and then...



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Thank you. I'm not a "fucking retard", "two dollar whore", or "skank". He pulled this shit right in front of the new posters I invited here.

[Noir]

As for this whole 'men paying for children they don't want', tough titty.

It all about responsibility, and like at the start of the thread when it was being argued that woman must accept the possibility of getting pregnant when having sex, men must do the same. If a man choses to have sex with a woman then whether or not he "wants" a child, he should accept the responsibly (at least financially, though hopefully emotionally too) of caring for a child that may result.

[Wind Song]

Men and women need to have the "do you want to get pregnant or not" conversation before they have sex.

[Noir]

Men and women need to have the "do you want to get pregnant or not" conversation before they have sex.

Yes, personally I like to drop it in during foreplay - after we've sorted out the days recycling and brushed our teeth, but before i strip down to my socks and suspenders.