Julian Assange (WikiLeaks) granted asylum

[Dilloduck]

I gotta hunch that he won't call for any action against a religion but it's just a wild guess.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

You should read his stance on issues pertaining to Syria and Iran, and then he also offers his stances on Afghanistan and Pakistan on his website too. I don't see him addressing it as dealing with or as a war with Islam, but rather individual countries. We could only guess at this point as to whether or not he would implement a tougher strategy, or make moves differently than Obama is approaching things at this point. And of course having a cooperative congress can make a difference too.

No guessing to it . Romney will not be overly friendly to the anti-jews over there as is the bamster. He will not treat our allies as foes and our foes as friends as does obama. Also I predict when he wins he will not go on a damn world apology tour as did our current infection in the Whitehouse!

[Dilloduck]

No guessing to it . Romney will not be overly friendly to the anti-jews over there as is the bamster. He will not treat our allies as foes and our foes as friends as does obama. Also I predict when he wins he will not go on a damn world apology tour as did our current infection in the Whitehouse!

That's bound to stop Islam in it's tracks.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

That's bound to stop Islam in it's tracks.

Let him tackle our economic woes first and dismantle obama's healthcare disaster.
Islam is farther down on the list but still needs to be addressed for the true threat that it is..
I doubt that he will take a ffing world apology tour like that scum bamboy did!-Tyr

[Noir]

Well spotted, Tyr. The 'blessed' Mohammed ??? What on EARTH are you going on about, Noir ??

I'll give yourself and Tyr a free pass, being reasonably new and all, but if I ever make a post that seems to in any way imply that some religious figure (Especially our dearest Mo) is great, blessed, divine, well hung, wise, or wonderful etc, that'll be me being sarcastic (:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I'll give yourself and Tyr a free pass, being reasonably new and all, but if I ever make a post that seems to in any way imply that some religious figure (Especially our dearest Mo) is great, blessed, divine, well hung, wise, or wonderful etc, that'll be me being sarcastic (:

I'll believe that if and when I see any real criticism of Islam. Until then I will go with my original impression on the subject.-Tyr

[Noir]

I'll believe that if and when I see any real criticism of Islam. Until then I will go with my original impression on the subject.-Tyr

Wellllll I lived in a Muslim district in a City and wore a drawing of little Mo for the best part f a year, that has to count for something! =P

As for the thread topic - I've fallen wayyy behind on this (I still haven't had a full day off in weeks >,>) but speaking to my mum last night it seems Julian's legal team have been pretty clumsy regarding the asylum bid, and could have saved that for later, however, the case is now put to Europe, which means it'll be years before any things done, so unless the Brits storm the Embassy, Julian can expect to be making it his primary residence for quite a time to come.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Wellllll I lived in a Muslim district in a City and wore a drawing of little Mo for the best part f a year, that has to count for something! =P

As for the thread topic - I've fallen wayyy behind on this (I still haven't had a full day off in weeks >,>) but speaking to my mum last night it seems Julian's legal team have been pretty clumsy regarding the asylum bid, and could have saved that for later, however, the case is now put to Europe, which means it'll be years before any things done, so unless the Brits storm the Embassy, Julian can expect to be making it his primary residence for quite a time to come.

Counts only if you wore it on the outside!
The Brits should drag his sorry ass out kicking and screaming. Most of the world would heer and say job well done too.-Tyr

[Noir]

Counts only if you wore it on the outside!
The Brits should drag his sorry ass out kicking and screaming. Most of the world would heer and say job well done too.-Tyr

Ofcourse I wore it on the outside, it would be pretty retarded not to =/

And IMO they shouldn't, and probably won't (:

[logroller]

Counts only if you wore it on the outside!
The Brits should drag his sorry ass out kicking and screaming. Most of the world would heer and say job well done too.-Tyr

Doubtful anywhere near most of the world would cheer. Some may see it as inevitable or necessary, but it would be a diplomatic disaster, certainly nothing to cheer about.

[jimnyc]

As for the thread topic - I've fallen wayyy behind on this (I still haven't had a full day off in weeks >,>) but speaking to my mum last night it seems Julian's legal team have been pretty clumsy regarding the asylum bid, and could have saved that for later, however, the case is now put to Europe, which means it'll be years before any things done, so unless the Brits storm the Embassy, Julian can expect to be making it his primary residence for quite a time to come.

You guys know far more than us being over there, spill the details! Why would this have changed had they did what exactly? Explain their clumsiness (serious question!). Is there a sense that they will remove their ability to grant asylum, which I read before? Or storm the building like you mention? Or perhaps just make him live there forever? I doubt the last, as I assume they have to have men guarding and/or watching the building. I must admit, it would be comical and quite a failure if he were to dress up as someone else and escape somehow.

[Drummond]

This Assange business has ceased to be news over here, at least for now. I've seen nothing at all about it in the media for the past week.

Probably, there are still some messages being exchanged on a diplomatic level which we know nothing about, though for the moment our authorities probably just want a cooling-off period. I think our people would much prefer it if a diplomatic answer to this could be found.

In my view .. all of this is rather shortsighted. What's Assange up to right now ? Is he, under the cover of Ecuadorian diplomatic privilege, getting a special freedom to continue to run Wikileaks online ? What if he's preparing the ground for more Wikileaks disseminations, activities that could've been stopped had our people acted promptly ?

Then again .. who recalls the Iranian Embassy siege, circa 1980 ?

http://www.eliteukforces.info/specia...anian-embassy/

The breaking of a terrorist siege in the heart of London in 1980 catapulted the normally secretive SAS onto the world stage. The audacious daylight assault, carried out in the full glare of media scrutiny, made the Regiment and it's motto, 'Who Dares Wins' an indelible part of UK culture. The techniques used in the operation were quickly studied and copied by other special forces and counter-terrorism units around the world.

11:30am Wednesday April 30th, 1980 : Six Iranian gunmen force their way into the Iranian Embassy at Princes Gate, London. They overpowered PC Trevor Lock of the diplomatic protection squad and took a total of 26 people hostage. Amongst the hostages are men from the BBC who were arranging visas.

The terrorists, who called themselves the 'Democratic Revolutionary Front for Arabistan' were protesting against the oppression of Khuzestan by the then Iranian leader - Ayatollah Khomeini. They demanded the release of 91 political prisoners who were imprisoned in Iran. They also demanded a plane to fly themselves and the hostages out of the UK.

Not long after the initial seizing of the Iranian embassy, the police cordoned off the area. Police snipers took up positions overlooking the building. The UK government's emergency committee, COBRA, was setup to monitor and manage the evolving crisis.

At their base in Hereford, the SAS Counter-Terrorism team of the Special Air Service was put on high alert. B Squadron, who were during their stint on the Anti-Terrorist team, sped down the motorway to London. The SAS moved into a building close to the Iranian Embassy and quickly formulated an Immediate Action (IA) plan. The IA is put into play if the situation deterioates before a proper assault plan can be drawn up e.g. if the terrorists snap and start shooting hostages. The SAS prefer to have the time to gather good intel and formulate a detailed assault plan.

As the police negotiators began their delicate dialogue with the hostage takers, MI5 specialists lowered microphones down the embassy's chimneys. A road drill outside was used to cover the sounds of holes drilled through the walls of adjacent buildings for eavesdropping devices.

The SAS planners studied blueprints and consulted with the embassy janitor, building a picture of the building's interior, doors and windows. Preparations included small team of SAS men sneaking onto the roof of the embassy at night where they checked out potential entry points.

In between planning and standing-to on alert for immediate deployment, the SAS troopers kept boredom at bay by watching the Snooker championships on tv.

The terrorists were led by Awn Ali Mohammed, 27, who was code named 'Salim'. Over the first few days of the siege, Salim released several women hostages and a BBC employee who feigned stomach cramps in order to be released. By Monday, and with no sign of his demands being met, Salim's mood changed for the worse and tensions rose. Salim threatened to shoot a hostage. Abbas Lavasani, an Iranian who had drawn the ire of the hostage-takers due to his animosity towards them was separated from the rest of the hostages. At noon 3 shots were heard from within the embassy and later that evening Lavasani's body was pushed out the front door.

The terrorists had now crossed the line. UK policy was not to use force unless hostages had either been killed or where at immanent risk of being killed. By killing a hostage, the terrorists had essentially forced the government's hand.

COBRA responded to the shooting by authorising the use of force to end the siege and release the hostages. Whilst negotiations continued with the terrorists, this time with the aim of stalling for time, operational control was handed over from the MET to the MOD. The SAS were now ordered to go in.

As the terrorist leader was kept busy on the phone with negotiations, the SAS assault teams moved to their start positions. 'Operation Nimrod' as the hostage rescue mission was code named, called for the embassy to be stormed from all sides, with multiple assault teams simultaneously entering on all floors.

Maybe we'll surprise everyone and act when the world is least expecting it.

Legal precedent for dealing with this Embassy does exist. We have a British law that can be invoked, its effect to decommission the Embassy's status AS an Embassy. I think it should be used, and with its authority, our forces should go in and get Assange once and for all.

And I think there's reason to move quickly, over and above whatever computing activities Assange is engaging in. The more time that passes, the more this can all be entangled in legalese. We have European courts to contend with, as well as home-grown legalities. I see no advantage in allowing the European bureaucratic process enough time to put a spanner in the works.

[Drummond]

Doubtful anywhere near most of the world would cheer. Some may see it as inevitable or necessary, but it would be a diplomatic disaster, certainly nothing to cheer about.

As I see it, the 'diplomatic disaster' has come about as a result of Ecuador being happy to shield someone from due criminal process. If all embassies, everywhere, were to act like that .. law and order would become an international joke.

I think a good and proper course of action would be to see the British authorities revoke the Ecuadorian Embassy's standing as one. This would send a message to the world that diplomatic privilege was not something given, to be abused by countries on a whim.

[Noir]

As I see it, the 'diplomatic disaster' has come about as a result of Ecuador being happy to shield someone from due criminal process. If all embassies, everywhere, were to act like that .. law and order would become an international joke.

I think a good and proper course of action would be to see the British authorities revoke the Ecuadorian Embassy's standing as one. This would send a message to the world that diplomatic privilege was not something given, to be abused by countries on a whim.

Reminds me of a old episode of StarTrek (from where, surely all wisdom comes)... the "whim" here would be the of revocation of diplomatic immunity, not (as you imply) the granting of asylum.

[Noir]

You guys know far more than us being over there, spill the details! Why would this have changed had they did what exactly? Explain their clumsiness (serious question!). Is there a sense that they will remove their ability to grant asylum, which I read before? Or storm the building like you mention? Or perhaps just make him live there forever? I doubt the last, as I assume they have to have men guarding and/or watching the building. I must admit, it would be comical and quite a failure if he were to dress up as someone else and escape somehow.

My mum just thinks they played the Embassy card too soon, should of waited to see how things were playing out with the ECHR, who (she thinks) will find in his favour. Though in saying that she also thought (from a legal standpoint) the UK courts would find in his favour, and they didn't.

Also its worth mentioning (since i've seen him be refered to as a rapist etc) not only has he not been found guilty, but he has not even been charged with any offence. Though no doubt the people that wana call him a rapist won't care for little details like evidence, convictions, or charges.