Jafar said this could never happen in Islamic courts...

[bingster]

Your analogy is flawed.

If Roman Catholics said Presbyterians were not really Christians because they have different core beliefs, THAT would be the same as Jahil saying Shia are not really Islam because they have different core beliefs.

Why can't we just agree that the government of Iran is extreme and not cast a pall over Islam?

[bingster]

It's the part where government wants to FORCE us to look after the poor that is frowned upon, Jahil. It should be our choice, not imposed from on high (federal government).

Even when the government is voted on and elected? Even when all of the polls are in favor? Yes, I realize this isn't the case in Iran, but I detected another Obama slam.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Even when the government is voted on and elected? Even when all of the polls are in favor? Yes, I realize this isn't the case in Iran, but I detected another Obama slam.

Just because we elect someone, doesn't mean that we have to be stuck with any law or rule they decide is 'best for society'. We still have the right to vote them out if we don't like what they are doing or work against a particular goal of theirs if we so choose to do so.

As for 'all the polls', that is simply not the case. Every single poll, ever taken, indicates we should force people through taxation to 'help the poor'? List them.

You can 'detect' anything you like. Doesn't make you right. I don't care WHO is in office, what party is in control. I would equally resent Obama, Romney (whom I supported), Bush, Clinton, the Pope, whomever, if they tried to force me through taxation to do something I feel should be a choice.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Why can't we just agree that the government of Iran is extreme and not cast a pall over Islam?

Jahil is the one casting a pall over Islam, by claiming that people who make up almost 20% of it's membership, really are not members, even though the majority of Islam (as posted and sourced many times) disagrees with him.

[bingster]

Jahil is the one casting a pall over Islam, by claiming that people who make up almost 20% of it's membership, really are not members, even though the majority of Islam (as posted and sourced many times) disagrees with him.

A lot of Christians don't think Mormons are Christian. I agree with you, that Shia is classified as Muslim and everything you find on-line will support that. But ask a Shiite what they think of a Sunni.

[ConHog]

A lot of Christians don't think Mormons are Christian. I agree with you, that Shia is classified as Muslim and everything you find on-line will support that. But ask a Shiite what they think of a Sunni.

Generally speaking they think that the other has misinterpreted the word's of the Prophet and therefor they are not TRUE Muslims.

It goes deeper than that , but that's the gist of it, they hate each other.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Why can't we just agree that the government of Iran is extreme and not cast a pall over Islam?

Because the government of Iran, pay attention, is Islam!!!!!! Good grief are you that damn dense!??--Tyr

[ConHog]

Because the government of Iran, pay attention, is Islam!!!!!! Good grief are you that damn dense!??--Tyr

I did not realize that the government of Iran spoke for all of Islam. Interesting..............

[Marcus Aurelius]

A lot of Christians don't think Mormons are Christian. I agree with you, that Shia is classified as Muslim and everything you find on-line will support that. But ask a Shiite what they think of a Sunni.

I have two Shia friends (thus my interest in this topic). They have a difference of doctrinal opinion with Sunni's regarding Islam, but they consider them part of Islam.

[bingster]

I have two Shia friends (thus my interest in this topic). They have a difference of doctrinal opinion with Sunni's regarding Islam, but they consider them part of Islam.

I assume your two friends are sensible. Are all members of Islam sensible?