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    From The Associated Press 4 May 2016:
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    Former Michigan State basketball player Keith Appling was charged Wednesday with carrying a concealed weapon and other crimes after being found in possession of guns and marijuana in suburban Detroit...
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    Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state. — Article 1 Sec 6 - Michigan Constitution

    There's nothing there that says he has to ask permission from the State to have these weapons in his car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by indago View Post
    From The Associated Press 4 May 2016:
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    Former Michigan State basketball player Keith Appling was charged Wednesday with carrying a concealed weapon and other crimes after being found in possession of guns and marijuana in suburban Detroit...
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    article


    Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state. — Article 1 Sec 6 - Michigan Constitution

    There's nothing there that says he has to ask permission from the State to have these weapons in his car.
    Damn. I actually agree with you about something. Someone bring the oxygen!
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    Quote Originally Posted by indago View Post
    From The Associated Press 4 May 2016:
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    Former Michigan State basketball player Keith Appling was charged Wednesday with carrying a concealed weapon and other crimes after being found in possession of guns and marijuana in suburban Detroit...
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    Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state. — Article 1 Sec 6 - Michigan Constitution

    There's nothing there that says he has to ask permission from the State to have these weapons in his car.
    The right to defend yourself is fundamental to having any freedom at all.
    THUS ONE MUST HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE WEAPONS TO DO SO.
    AN UNARMED MAN IS A SLAVE TO ANY OTHER PERSON WITH A GUN ON HIM.
    At least when armed, he has a chance before being enslaved.
    Note: that enslavement can just as easily come from government(and most often does)!!!--Tyr
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    Journalist Maura Dolan wrote for The Los Angeles Times 16 May 2016:
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    A federal appeals court decided Monday that a zoning requirement restricting the location of gun stores may violate a constitutional right to bear arms. ...“The right to purchase and to sell firearms is part and parcel of the historically recognized right to keep and to bear arms,” wrote Judge Diarmuid F. O’Scannlain...
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    Quote Originally Posted by indago View Post
    Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state. — Article 1 Sec 6 - Michigan Constitution

    There's nothing there that says he has to ask permission from the State to have these weapons in his car.
    The Federal supersedes the State.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    The Federal supersedes the State.
    What "Federal"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by indago View Post
    What "Federal"?
    Constitution, Laws, Regulations...
    "when socialism fails, blame capitalism and demand more socialism." - A friend
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Constitution, Laws, Regulations...
    There's nothing there that says he has to ask permission from the federales to have these weapons in his car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by indago View Post
    There's nothing there that says he has to ask permission from the federales to have these weapons in his car.
    Your premise is incorrect:

    Quote Originally Posted by Supremacy Clause
    Article VI, Paragraph 2 of the Constitution is commonly referred to as the Supremacy Clause. It establishes that the federal constitution, and federal law generally, take precedence over state laws, and even state constitutions.
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/supremacy_clause

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    This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.
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    So?




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    Last edited by indago; 05-17-2016 at 10:35 AM.

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    I am thinking there is more to it than what the original article showed.

    That may come out in the hearing.
    I have lost my mind. If found, please give it a snack and return it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by indago View Post
    So?
    You do tend to curl up in a ball and pout when challenged.
    "when socialism fails, blame capitalism and demand more socialism." - A friend
    "You know the difference between libs and right-wingers? Libs STFU when evidence refutes their false beliefs." - Another friend
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    You do tend to curl up in a ball and pout when challenged.
    I don't feel "challenged"...

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    Are you guys saying that the right to bear arms can not be denied to convicted criminals and those found to be mentally insane?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabosaurus View Post
    Are you guys saying that the right to bear arms can not be denied to convicted criminals and those found to be mentally insane?
    Infringe — to infringe is to encroach on a right or privilege or to violate

    Society has place limits upon "convicted criminals and those found to be mentally insane".

    How would you interpret "shall not be infringed"?

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