My disdain for the poor.

[jillian]

We have a system that allows that--insurance companies
manage to expose those people, why can't the government
follow through?

They do. No question that some stuff goes under the radar, but it isn't the endemic problem that some whnle about.

[Ado]

Personal choice to commit murder, cool. I should be allowed to waste this neighbor I got also, it would be a personal choice.

I love how you want to force people into
making personal decisions that make you feel
good, but the burden is shoved onto someone
else for a lifetime.

I love how you want these babies to be born under
any circumstances, but you don't want universal
health care, or all the other things that would
give that child a head start and a good foundation
in life, and support the family, with REAL family values.

Maybe I need to start pointing out that a good
portion of these babies born will be gay, non-Christians,
drug dealers, drug addicts, porn actors & Democrats.

Does that help?

[5stringJeff]

I love how you want to force people into
making personal decisions that make you feel
good, but the burden is shoved onto someone
else for a lifetime.

I love how you want these babies to be born under
any circumstances, but you don't want universal
health care, or all the other things that would
give that child a head start and a good foundation
in life, and support the family, with REAL family values.

Maybe I need to start pointing out that a good
portion of these babies born will be gay, non-Christians,
drug dealers, drug addicts, porn actors & Democrats.

Does that help?

First of all, the personal decisions she makes are hers: personal. As such, she should have to live with the consequences of those decisions on her own. As it is, she's getting welfare (food stamps) and shopping at a convenience store, then complaining about how hard it is to get along.

Second, we (the pro-life crowd) believe that all human life is sacred. Yes, that means even Democrats (that was sarcasm there). Seriously, though, the fact that some babies born into poverty will become non-Christians, or druggies, or porn actors, doesn't make their lives any less valuable.

Third, universal health care, run by the government, would be horribly inefficient and abused by the people who need it least or who would use loopholes to their advantage. For proof, see your local emergency room.

[Ado]

First of all, the personal decisions she makes are hers: personal. As such, she should have to live with the consequences of those decisions on her own. As it is, she's getting welfare (food stamps) and shopping at a convenience store, then complaining about how hard it is to get along.

Second, we (the pro-life crowd) believe that all human life is sacred. Yes, that means even Democrats (that was sarcasm there). Seriously, though, the fact that some babies born into poverty will become non-Christians, or druggies, or porn actors, doesn't make their lives any less valuable.

Third, universal health care, run by the government, would be horribly inefficient and abused by the people who need it least or who would use loopholes to their advantage. For proof, see your local emergency room.

I think we need to come to grips with the fact that a significant
portion of any society is just not too bright. They will find ways
to circumvent any program or system and should be dealt with
and taught that this is not acceptable.

But for most of the people, it will give them more options
and break some cycles and break the downward spiral that
we will see very soon.

If the divide between have and have nots keeps growing
the upper crust will feel it, because people will act with
their wallets and get better priorities, and wise up to
using credit badly and see that unbridled consumerism
is killing them and funding the greedy.

[Roopull]

I think we need to come to grips with the fact that a significant portion of any society is just not too bright. They will find ways
to circumvent any program or system and should be dealt with
and taught that this is not acceptable.

See, I actually don't think she's stupid at all. She's clever enough to have figured out how to game the system just enough. She and her sister have quite the little scam going.

If the divide between have and have nots keeps growing
the upper crust will feel it, because people will act with
their wallets and get better priorities, and wise up to
using credit badly and see that unbridled consumerism
is killing them and funding the greedy.

I don't understand what you just said. What does the "gap between the haves & have nots" have to do with anything?

If the poor "act with their wallets" and "get better priorities" how can that be a bad thing for the wealthy? Their taxes will go down because there aren't as many leaches in the economy & these losers will actually begin to produce... probably working for some wealthy guy who makes products that the "have nots" will want to buy... thus making them "haves," I suppose.

Unbridled consumerism? What the hell is that supposed to mean? It's nonsense. Unbridled consumerism... as though being a consumer is like being a wild animal in need of being tamed... THAT TERM is an attempt by the socialist minded to tarnish capitalism. What needs to be tamed is the ever growing safety net society provides these people... even Roomy suggested it.

If people have no fear of starvation, homelessness & possible death, you end up with the Brenda Kellys of the world. Does anyone actually think that she'd not become a productive member of society overnight if she were told by the government that she had six months to get her crap together or else her kids would be taken away & she'd be evicted with no further assistance???

[darin]

How about this: Why are the POOR so GREEDY...always WANTING and CRYING for MORE?? Self-centered bastards...

[CockySOB]

How about this: Why are the POOR so GREEDY...always WANTING and CRYING for MORE?? Self-centered bastards...

Incorrect statement. How about: why is there an atmosphere of entitlement among those who are able to do for themselves, yet don't?

'Cause all ya have to do is ask a librull and they'll tell ya it's the RICH who are so GREEDY! :-)

[darin]

Incorrect statement. How about: why is there an atmosphere of entitlement among those who are able to do for themselves, yet don't?

You nailed it.

[CockySOB]

You nailed it.

Rename me Captain Obvious.

And I've got some nominations ready for Captain Oblivious....

[Ado]

See, I actually don't think she's stupid at all. She's clever enough to have figured out how to game the system just enough. She and her sister have quite the little scam going.




I don't understand what you just said. What does the "gap between the haves & have nots" have to do with anything?

If the poor "act with their wallets" and "get better priorities" how can that be a bad thing for the wealthy? Their taxes will go down because there aren't as many leaches in the economy & these losers will actually begin to produce... probably working for some wealthy guy who makes products that the "have nots" will want to buy... thus making them "haves," I suppose.

Unbridled consumerism? What the hell is that supposed to mean? It's nonsense. Unbridled consumerism... as though being a consumer is like being a wild animal in need of being tamed... THAT TERM is an attempt by the socialist minded to tarnish capitalism. What needs to be tamed is the ever growing safety net society provides these people... even Roomy suggested it.

If people have no fear of starvation, homelessness & possible death, you end up with the Brenda Kellys of the world. Does anyone actually think that she'd not become a productive member of society overnight if she were told by the government that she had six months to get her crap together or else her kids would be taken away & she'd be evicted with no further assistance???

She only as "smart" as we let her be. I do think she'd be forced
to turn herself around--why isn't it happening?

What I am addressing as have nots are people that do not have enough money
to buy health insurance because their employers do not offer any benefit, and the
lower middle class who is losing buying power, and will have less disposable
income. Those that pay for their own rising health insurance, do not have much money
to buy other things.

There are many people who have not managed their money and have credit debt.
True, it is their mistake, but when they figure out how to do things right,
the economy will feel the effects--they won't be buying.

Clearly you can see that others profit when people screw up.
Our bad habits actually keep the government and retail rolling along.

Now you can keep thinking I'm nuts, or you can actually think about
how things really work.

[darin]

S
What I am addressing as have nots are people that do not have enough money
to buy health insurance because their employers do not offer any benefit,

Then the find another job, or an additional job.

(shrug)

and the
lower middle class who is losing buying power, and will have less disposable
income. Those that pay for their own rising health insurance, do not have much money
to buy other things.

They can buy what the need. People don't NEED health insurance. People need shelter, food, water, clothing, spiritual health. That's it. Above that, it's gravy.

Now you can keep thinking I'm nuts, or you can actually think about
how things really work.

I'm going to keep thinking you're nuts.

[shattered]

I think "by choice" is a bit gruff. I'd say 95 percent of the poor are poor because they don't put forth the effort to bring themselves out of poverty. In other words, they're lazy or stupid. Of course, I know plenty of lazy AND stupid middle classers so maybe you're right.

<b>As for why she "keeps spreading her legs" and having kids, maybe she's Catholic</b>

That's been previously addressed in this thread. It was a load of shit from Roomy, and it's a load of shit from you. Being Catholic doesn't mean you have to "spread" your legs for every Tom, Dick, and Harry you meet/date.

[darin]

That's been previously addressed in this thread. It was a load of shit from Roomy, and it's a load of shit from you. Being Catholic doesn't mean you have to "spread" your legs for every Tom, Dick, and Harry you meet/date.

I think they were referencing her lack of birth control usage.?

[shattered]

I think they were referencing her lack of birth control usage.?

Probably, but it's an irrelevant point, given she didn't have to sleep with all the people she did, and she's *obviously* not following any other portion of the Catholic lifestyle...

[darin]

Probably, but it's an irrelevant point, given she didn't have to sleep with all the people she did, and she's *obviously* not following any other portion of the Catholic lifestyle...

often people like taking cheap shots at those of faith.