Originally Posted by
fj1200
As I recall we've discussed it already. Throwing the bible argument at them will be counterproductive.
Advocating because "the bible says" will not work.
It's worked for more than a few people.
But why can't you hear when i say that many items are already in the constitution and our older laws. And appeals to the best of our traditions.
Also reality is on the bible's side, simply because the bible is TRUE. whether on not people believe it. there are 2 genders , the bible says it, and as K mentioned, science show it as well.
what part of that doesn't stick?
why do you keep assuming the Bible is the ONLY tool i want to use. I say it's the ULTIMATE tool and the only foundation. But it's not the only place where it's principals are seated and can be pointed too.
Part of the problem is even when you ask people to follow the constitution they become selective and want to ignore many of the basics when it suits them.
It seems most folks simply want their way and don't have seriously held principals, many people operate out of habits, convenience, personal preferences, "cultural norms" and pragmatism.
Originally Posted by
fj1200
Attempt to persuade them with reasonable arguments and then the fact that you might have a biblical reference after they're already listening becomes a different discussion.
yes, no one said you have to Start with the Bible.
Folks have been doing it that way for some time.
However if you're dealing with folks like Harari. and what his type are teaching in colleges.
they aren't interested in reasonable arguments they have a different world view of what human beings are, and what factors apply to reality. they have a different religion.
Harari doesn't believe humans have rights. what reasonable argument are going to make?
He says human rights and freedoms are PURE fiction.
What's the secular reasoned response would you start with to back the constitution and bill of rights's view on that, and secure the principals in other law?
Last edited by revelarts; 01-01-2024 at 08:35 AM.
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