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    Quote Originally Posted by SpidermanTUba View Post
    Anything which attempts to prevent individual thought is no good.
    The point of individual thought is to propel people to learn and discover the truth. Individual thought is a means and not an ends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avatar4321 View Post
    The point of individual thought is to propel people to learn and discover the truth. Individual thought is a means and not an ends.
    First part I disagree with, second part I agree with. And that's because we're coming at the issue from very different perspectives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by avatar4321 View Post
    The point of individual thought is to propel people to learn and discover the truth. Individual thought is a means and not an ends.


    And the point of religion is to shackle people and obscure the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpidermanTUba View Post
    And the point of religion is to shackle people and obscure the truth.

    that is so far from the point of religion it is laughable.....

    "I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is."

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    Quote Originally Posted by manu1959 View Post
    that is so far from the point of religion it is laughable.....
    Don't laugh yet, your turn hasn't come around. If "use" is linked to "purpose" then yes, religion's purpose is to shackle people and obscure the truth.
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    Do they get a choice about which religion they are educated in?
    of course not....do you deliberately teach YOUR children ignorance?

    religion's purpose is to shackle people and obscure the truth.
    ah, perhaps you do.....
    Last edited by PostmodernProphet; 10-12-2007 at 10:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    of course not....do you deliberately teach YOUR children ignorance?
    So you're indoctrinating your children in your choice of religion. That's fine, just wanted to get that cleared up.


    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet:
    ah, perhaps you do.....
    Ah, the temptation for an ad hom was too much wasn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by diuretic View Post
    Don't laugh yet, your turn hasn't come around. If "use" is linked to "purpose" then yes, religion's purpose is to shackle people and obscure the truth.
    that is absurd......are your telling my jesus for example spread the word of god to shackle people and obscure the truth......

    shackle to what end and obscure what truth....

    "I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is."

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    Quote Originally Posted by manu1959 View Post
    that is absurd......are your telling my jesus for example spread the word of god to shackle people and obscure the truth......

    shackle to what end and obscure what truth....
    Who said anything about Jesus or Christianity for that matter? Although it is true that Christianity has been used to shackle people and obscure the truth, yes. But then so have many other religions.

    To your second point. Religion is one of the oldest tools of human control and oppression - and please note, I'm referring to "religion" so don't get yer knickers all twisted up with you thinking I'm having a go at Jesus, try to think broadly about religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diuretic View Post
    Who said anything about Jesus or Christianity for that matter? Although it is true that Christianity has been used to shackle people and obscure the truth, yes. But then so have many other religions.

    To your second point. Religion is one of the oldest tools of human control and oppression - and please note, I'm referring to "religion" so don't get yer knickers all twisted up with you thinking I'm having a go at Jesus, try to think broadly about religion.
    the purpose of guns is not to murder innocent people but they are used for that purpose......

    tell me what is the purpose of religion....why do the prophets spread the words....to control people or free them....many things can be perverted

    "I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is."

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpidermanTUba View Post
    And the point of religion is to shackle people and obscure the truth.
    you wouldnt know truth if it but you on the nose tubs. that's already well established.

    Divine revelation can teach all truth if you let it.

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