Contact these turncoats...

[TheStripey1]

Wrong----they don't dissaprove of the war--they dissaprove of America being a sovereign country and conservatives. If there wasn't a war the would be whinng about somethig else.

you mean like the republicans did during the clinton years? they were always whining about something... from whitewater... to hog futures... to travelgate... to OMG, the worst possible thing... getting a hummer...

yeah, you're right... republicans don't whine...

[TheStripey1]

That's a serious allegation. Care to provide some evidence to back it up? I've challenged a few right wingers like you to do just that, and their usual reaction is either to cut and run, or hurl personal insults.

I bet that this time will be no different, birdz... but I could be wrong... as I've another 20 pages to go in this thread before I catch up...

[TheStripey1]

Provide me with some evidence that the liberals were more invested than winning the war than bitching about how it all started.

they wanted to send more troops... in the beginning... bush et al wanted to do the war on the cheap...

some people don't like being lied to especially when the lies told embroils us in an unwinnable war... count ME among them...

[TheStripey1]

So you believe that troops should not be sent to war or situations where they could get maimed or killed?

hahahahahaa... silly... of course troops should be sent to war... the right ones... Iraq was NOT the right war... AFGHANISTAN was...

and now they're both in the toilet... who's fault? the republicans...

[TheStripey1]

Absolutely. When the going was good, the majority dems were all for it, then it became a little slow and they jumped the opportunistic band wagon of bashing Bush just to gain support from the uneducated people who can't see that Bush did win the war.

It takes more than flying a banner that reads Mission Accomplished to be a winner...

but if we won, as you claim, why are we STILL there?

[TheStripey1]

What false pretenses would these be? Watch yourself because for every "supposed' falsehood you think George uttered I can provide evidence of twenty Demos including Bubba who agreed with him in the years before and during his administration.

welllll... there's those pesky WMD we all heard so much about... what ever happened to them anyway? and the links to Al Qaeda? those bio trailers... the aluminum tubes... the YELLOWCAKE from Africa...

and about those dems that agreed with him, did any of them declare war on Iraq?

[TheStripey1]

Used to be dissent and politics stopped at the water's edge, guess now with the Demos its power first and America second.

why OCA, that sounds like a whine... want some brie, too?

[TheStripey1]

Bunch a crap. Dems gave your guy the power. He botched it. The reason we're in a royal mess is because there's no possible good outcome. Do we pull out now and leave a mess? Or do we pull out later, after more of our troops are killed.... and leave a mess.

Not a lot of choices there. And that IS Bush's fault. And it's clearly not just dems saying it.

it's a clear case of damned if you do and damned if you don't but the BIG difference is the number of american casualties...

the longer we stay, the more there will be...

[TheStripey1]

A) Then obviously the Dems are to blame for giving him so much "power".
B) The Dems are to blame for buying into the same bad intel that Bush and the rest of the world bought into.
C) After sending over 100,000 troop into harms way what is the point in whining about how we got there ? How is that productive? How does that help anything?
D) Whe the dems wanted to send in more troops I don't recall them calling them "more targets" but somehow now they are when the administration does it?

A) yep
B) yeah, but the rest of the world didn't invade Iraq...
C) some people don't like being lied to, others don't seem to mind at all...
D) it wasn't a civil war then...

[TheStripey1]

OMG---after years of completely trashing everything Bush has done only NOW are you going to "petend" it may have been the right thing to do ?

It's called... for the sake of arguement...

[TheStripey1]

You obviously have NO idea what "support the troops" means.

for the sake of arguement, why don't you tell us what you think it means...

[TheStripey1]

What is the actual purpose of doing so? Telegraphing to the enemy that all they have to do is wait for a Dem President to put the finishing touches on snatching defeat from the jaws of victory?

are you calling the quagmire in iraq a victory?

oy...

[TheStripey1]

Enough true facts have been disseminated over the past four years that one can assume you are either a liar or an idiot. Take your pick.

how about a link... or two...

[TheStripey1]

Speaking of disengenuous ... Bush did NOT get everything he wanted from Congress, and the Dems most certainly have had enough power to obstruct him every step of the way.

And you can attempt to hide behind your lie all you want, but the fact remains the left has undermined this war from the very second they decided it was predicated only on WMDs, and since none popped up and said "Here I am," that Bush lied about them.

It's the bushies that keep changing the reason we invaded... First it was WMD... then it was to "liberate" them, then it was to bring democracy to them...

what is it now, gunny?

[darin]

It's the bushies that keep changing the reason we invaded... First it was WMD...

That's simply dishonest. I mean VERY dishonest. If you wanna debate at LEAST be honest.

The world invaded to ENSURE Saddam didn't have WMD. The World thought He did. He CLAIMED to have them.

(shrug).

It wasn't the Bushies. It was "The Free World".