and if not, what will it take for them to see the light ?
and if not, what will it take for them to see the light ?
Maybe when they see the fireball in the sky when Iran tests its first nuke? Or the Israeli Air Force en route?
In the context of which you speak, martin, they are wondering the same about the US.
why would they? They've been helping them.
If we were as industrious to become good as to make ourselves great, we should become really great by being good, and the number of valuable men would be much increased; but it is a grand mistake to think of being great without goodness; and i pronounce it as certain that there was never yet a truly great man that was not at the same time truly virtuous." - Ben Franklin
Imagine what good we can do if we all joined together, united as followers of Christ - M. Russell Ballard
With all due respect, martin, I was referring to the difference that you imply in your original post and title of this thread concerning your question of whether or not Russia and China will ever see the light (as you perceive it to be) in the illumination of the Iranian problem.
I suspect the Chinese and Russians do not feel threatened at all by Iran and their business efforts there are not thwarted by imagined military confrontations.
The Russians, the Chinese and the Iranians none have aspirations towards military confrontation with the USA. Are you proposing we begin one with them?
So,,,,,,,,,,,you think capitalism is great so long as it is American capitalism? And you are willing to spill otherwise innocent American blood to protect the American capitalists in the name of government that embraces war profiteering as if were were free?
The cold war is over, martin. Do you ever read the newspapers? Have you ever been to Iran? I'll tell you the same thing I told the rest of this (other)board prior to the invasion of Iraq. Go there. Eat and drink with the Iranian people. Your attitude will change very quickly given that you are intelligent enough to discern an innocent and compassionate society.
War is just a level or two below total ignorance.
MartinGood day
I hope you dont mind me jumping head first in your discussion on my first show here in this forum. Hello to Psychoblues too.
Please allow me to line up with Psychoblues in the matter of having a balanced view on these kinds of political dilemma.
And, yes. China's long become an economic (big foot). In 2000 I was shopping at a central station mall in Edenburgh, Scotland for a quilt ( National Scottish wear). I failed to find one made in Scotland. All I have found were made in ... you guessed it.
The USA is a great world leader in many ways than one. But there are two mean viruses hacking the American freedom of thought.
What are they?
ISRAEL and WOMEN
Here's where the buck stops. You are free to curse the president and spit on the walls of the white house, but never ever ever criticize Israel and get a way with it.
For Israel, the U.S. is prepared to pay what ever price in blood and tears overseas. Believe me Martin; If Iran was a friend of the Israelies, the U.S wouldn't mind it selling Nuclear missiles in their cigarette stands.
Pakistan is far more radical and troublesome than Iran.. Have you seen their balistic missiles going south every now and then? Do you know, Martin, how they ignite their Nuclear Missiles during testing?
That's right... a matchbox.
God bless all.
Al from Saudi Arabia
I think those with oil like Russia and ME countries want to be able to protect it because soon demand will cause armies to enter lands for energy.
The best hope is to make oil an energy alternative to superior sources of energy.
Within the next twenty years the demand for oil in China, India and other developing nations will starve energy dependant nations causing war for oil demands. Americans will not see it as a world demand for oil as the reason they have no fuel at the gas station... they will fire the current administration and hire one that will go to war to get oil... Perfect storm, elect Democrats and allow a nuke in Iran... Russia has ample oil... China is the next door neighbor with an ample army and navy... Western Europe and America will be brought to their knees by energy demands with no source to move on because of liberal mindset towards nukes in the ME.
There will either be a world wide depression or a world where China and Russia cooperates to grow their power over the depressed America and Western Europe as they allow the ME to be controlled by Iran who will be the new OPEC allowed to set world oil prices as the power players China and Russia flourish.
"The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers."
---Thomas Jefferson (or as Al Sharpton calls him: Grandpappy)
The chiniese could in the future go to war with us over taiwan, or go to economic was which would be more devasting for us.
Iran if it gets a nuke, can not only wipe out israel, but any other middle eastern state it doesnt like, and therefore makes it a bigger threat then saddam ever was.
Saddam could kill thousands, but if iran gets the bomb they could nuke the entire middle east, and if they ever got the technology, could eventually hit one of our cities.
Dont ask me for military strategy, i have no idea
PB: The Russians, the Chinese and the Iranians none have aspirations towards military confrontation with the USA.
Are you proposing we begin one with them?[/QUOTE]
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