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    Quote Originally Posted by manu1959 View Post
    which currently living blacks are property.....

    who said any were?

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    who said any were?
    you said....."Pretending that slavery and centuries of sub-human status as property is not the root cause for those ills is equally foolish."

    please explain what you mean by the above statement.....i guess i don't get it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by manu1959 View Post
    you said....."Pretending that slavery and centuries of sub-human status as property is not the root cause for those ills is equally foolish."

    please explain what you mean by the above statement.....i guess i don't get it....
    are you aware that blacks were owned as property in the American colonies since the end of the sixteenth century? do the math.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    are you aware that blacks were owned as property in the American colonies since the end of the sixteenth century? do the math.
    yawn----another instance of intentional ignorance---he's not talking about the time frame as you know full well.

    A nutcase will do nutty things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    are you aware that blacks were owned as property in the American colonies since the end of the sixteenth century? do the math.
    are you aware that all those people are dead and there have been several generations of free blacks.....yet somehow this is the root cause for their misfortune generations later......when do they have to stand up and fend for themselves and stop making excuses.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by manu1959 View Post
    are you aware that all those people are dead and there have been several generations of free blacks.....yet somehow this is the root cause for their misfortune generations later......when do they have to stand up and fend for themselves and stop making excuses.....
    no one is "making excuses". it is a fact that slavery from 1600 until the Civil War, and Jim Crow for the NEXT century after that has put blacks in America at a significant socioeconomic disadvantage. To deny that is ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    no one is "making excuses". it is a fact that slavery from 1600 until the Civil War, and Jim Crow for the NEXT century after that has put blacks in America at a significant socioeconomic disadvantage. To deny that is ridiculous.
    i'm sure obama really feels disadvantaged.....harvard law, editor law review, senator, now front runner for president

    give me a break, to continue harping on it after nearly 50 years of reverse discrimination in black's favor, enough already, the facts currently do not support your false assertion

    let's get bill cosby in on this, he'd rip MFM good

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yurt View Post
    i'm sure obama really feels disadvantaged.....harvard law, editor law review, senator, now front runner for president

    give me a break, to continue harping on it after nearly 50 years of reverse discrimination in black's favor, enough already, the facts currently do not support your false assertion

    let's get bill cosby in on this, he'd rip MFM good
    so...50 years wipes the slate clean for the previous 350 years? no harm no foul? whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    no one is "making excuses". it is a fact that slavery from 1600 until the Civil War, and Jim Crow for the NEXT century after that has put blacks in America at a significant socioeconomic disadvantage. To deny that is ridiculous.
    yes excuses for failure are convenient......no matter how many decades ago it occurred......just out of curiosity when does the excuse term out…..

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    Quote Originally Posted by manu1959 View Post
    yes excuses for failure are convenient......no matter how many decades ago it occurred......just out of curiosity when does the excuse term out…..


    I am curious... what part of "no one is making excuses" did you NOT understand the first fucking time I typed it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by manu1959 View Post
    yes excuses for failure are convenient......no matter how many decades ago it occurred......just out of curiosity when does the excuse term out…..

    How long were the germans blamed for the holocaust, which took place in less than a 10 year period, who's survivors alive today are still getting restitution?

    I know I did not answer your question....I didn't because I did not know the answer, it just brought up my other question above...




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    Quote Originally Posted by manu1959 View Post
    yes excuses for failure are convenient......no matter how many decades ago it occurred......just out of curiosity when does the excuse term out…..
    Also Manu, there is a difference between excuses and extenuating circumstances.....extenuating circumstances is usually always considered under our laws, at least when it comes to punishment, and when it comes to retribution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    are you aware that blacks were owned as property in the American colonies since the end of the sixteenth century? do the math.
    And are you aware that just as many Irish were enslaved by the English prior to that? Are you aware that the English considered African black slaves to be of higher worth than the Irish? And when food ran short on the overseas voyages, the Irish got tossed overboard before the black slaves? Seems that the English had to pay the black slavers for the African black slaves, but the Irish, well, just round 'em up and ship 'em out!

    So tell me, how much are you going to pay the Irish whose ancestors can trace direct lineage back to the slave ships? I mean, your ancestors most likely made their way on blood money, so I figure you owe the rest of us Irish a good deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CockySOB View Post
    And are you aware that just as many Irish were enslaved by the English prior to that? Are you aware that the English considered African black slaves to be of higher worth than the Irish? And when food ran short on the overseas voyages, the Irish got tossed overboard before the black slaves? Seems that the English had to pay the black slavers for the African black slaves, but the Irish, well, just round 'em up and ship 'em out!

    So tell me, how much are you going to pay the Irish whose ancestors can trace direct lineage back to the slave ships? I mean, your ancestors most likely made their way on blood money, so I figure you owe the rest of us Irish a good deal.

    Look fuckstick. do the math. My grandmother came over on the boat. I don't owe you shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    Look fuckstick. do the math. My grandmother came over on the boat. I don't owe you shit.
    Then do you still think that blacks in America are owed something?

    Hypocrite.
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