Sidney Songbird McCain admits to braking

[SpidermanTUba]

What Songbird McCain COULD have said:
..."I was a POW - that's my business, not yours, I'm running for President of the United States, not POW" - What Sidney McCain could've said

... but he didn't.

"But after I turned down their offer, they worked me over harder than they ever had before. For a long time. And they broke me."

What does that mean "they broke me" ?

Does it mean something other than name, rank, and serial number?

How can Commander in Chief McCain command those who serve under him to give only name, rank, and serial number?

[NightTrain]

When being tortured, if their goal is to break you, you will break.

A human can only endure so much, it is only a matter of time with the exception of a few rare cases that resisted until death.

[PostmodernProphet]

hey Spyder....haven't seen you in ages....

[Immanuel]

When being tortured, if their goal is to break you, you will break.

A human can only endure so much, it is only a matter of time with the exception of a few rare cases that resisted until death.

I agree with you.

I can understand him breaking and I don't loose a bit of respect for him having been broken or admitting it.

I watched last night's speech and I must say that I don't believe the part about him turning down the opportunity to go home. I wasn't there and I can't say for sure, but I don't believe it one bit. "Look at me, I'm a hero!"

BS, if you turned it down, you are an idiot.

Now, I have no evidence to back me up on that, but damnit, I don't believe it for a second.

Immie

[darin]

I don't believe the part about him turning down the opportunity to go home. I wasn't there and I can't say for sure, but I don't believe it one bit.

I believe it's been validated by other POWs...

http://www.vietnamwar.com/johnmccainbio.htm

John McCain's 5 1/2 years of captivity in North Vietnam were divided into two phases. Early on, this son and grandson of high-ranking Naval officers was accorded relatively privileged status. Then he refused early release--which he saw as a public relations stunt by his captors--insisting that POWs held longer than him should be granted their freedom first. Thereafter, McCain was treated much more severely, but he also had an opportunity to bond with his fellow prisoners. Those experiences strengthened his resolve and eased his transition back into civilian life.

What does that mean "they broke me" ?

Does it mean something other than name, rank, and serial number?

How can Commander in Chief McCain command those who serve under him to give only name, rank, and serial number?

You watch too many movies.

[Immanuel]

I believe it's been validated by other POWs...

http://www.vietnamwar.com/johnmccainbio.htm

How would they know?

Just curious.

Immie

[darin]

How would they know?

Just curious.

Immie

...because they went home, instead of him? Nobody of authority has ever questioned McCain; when it happened, it was public knowledge.

[Gaffer]

Another liberal trying to insult a republican. Sydney McCain is McCain's son. Your attempts at belittling him just show your ignorance, again. But you keep working at it brainiac.

[Abbey Marie]

The great thing is, these attempts wil surely backfire and just make McCain more impressive.

And Immie, I find it sad that you choose to disbelieve this one thing, with absolutely no basis for it either. I have never heard it questioned, and common sense would tell you that the other POW's with him would have been extremely aware of who went home and who didn't. Do you really doubt that? Were you a POW and had a different experience?

Whether you like McCain or not, you all are just going to have to come to terms with the fact that McCain was a POW of great courage.

[Immanuel]

The great thing is, these attempts wil surely backfire and just make McCain more impressive.

And Immie, I find it sad that you choose to disbelieve this one thing, with absolutely no basis for it either. I have never heard it questioned, and common sense would tell you that the other POW's with him would have been extremely aware of who went home and who didn't. Do you really doubt that? Were you a POW and had a different experience?

Whether you like McCain or not, you all are just going to have to come to terms with the fact that McCain was a POW of great courage.

I only call it the way I see it.

I do not like McCain. I respect his service to the country and I respect that he gave 5 1/2 years of his life in a POW camp. But, I must say, that I think the "I gave up a chance to come home early", thing is BS.

No, I am not a former POW, thank God.

No, I do not believe that the other POW's would be aware of who were given chances to go home and who weren't.

The fact that I think he is "bragging" about having chosen to stay in Hanoi, has nothing to do with whether or not I believe the man has or had courage. There is no doubt in my mind that he is a man of courage. Just putting himself in the place he was at the time says the man had great courage. On the other hand, I believe this story to be well embellished to say the least.

Immie

[Immanuel]

And just for the record Abbey, yes it is a sad thing that I don't trust a politician, but, he IS a politician.

I listened to his speech last night and despite the fact that my respect for him increased significantly last night, I still don't believe 95% of what he said last night. My main thought was, "promises, promises". As President, nothing that he promised can be accomplished without Congress having initiated it.

Immie

[Abbey Marie]

And just for the record Abbey, yes it is a sad thing that I don't trust a politician, but, he IS a politician.

I listened to his speech last night and despite the fact that my respect for him increased significantly last night, I still don't believe 95% of what he said last night. My main thought was, "promises, promises". As President, nothing that he promised can be accomplished without Congress having initiated it.

Immie

Immie, you just said yourself that you don't like McCain. I think that explains your suspicions. Expecially since it is 100% conjecture on your part.

As for "promises, promises", of course the Prez cannot do most of it alone. I've been saying that on here for a while. But given his tradtion of breaking with party lines, coupled with veto power, McCain has a good shot of forcing Congress in certain directions.

C'mon, Immie- why so little faith for a guy named Immanuel?!

[Immanuel]

Immie, you just said yourself that you don't like McCain. I think that explains your suspicions. Expecially since it is 100% conjecture on your part.

As for "promises, promises", of course the Prez cannot do most of it alone. I've been saying that on here for a while. But given his tradtion of breaking with party lines, coupled with veto power, McCain has a good shot of forcing Congress in certain directions.

C'mon, Immie- why so little faith for a guy named Immanuel?!

I don't deny that first part at all, Abbey.

I have complete faith in politicians. I don't doubt that they are all liars... every single one of them regardless of party.

Immie

[Little-Acorn]

I don't believe the part about him turning down the opportunity to go home.

Then you have a problem.

I wasn't there

You certainly weren't.

and I can't say for sure,

You just did.

Go suck an egg.

[Immanuel]

Then you have a problem.


You certainly weren't.


You just did.

Go suck an egg.

I'm sorry, did I offend your God? And no, I never said for sure. I said I didn't believe him. I didn't make up some phony facts like others do to prove my point. I simply said, I don't believe him.

Right back at 'cha.

Immie