"The government is a child that has found their parents credit card, and spends knowing that they never have to reconcile the bill with their own money"-Shannon Churchill
Hey dumbshit, try READING Marx sometime. He did not predict the failure of capitalism, but of the inevitable shift for any democracy towards socialism, and then into communism as the masses learn they can "take" from those who produce through their power in the voting booth.
I'd also recommend reading Engels and Proudhon, as well as the dialog between all three individuals for a better understanding of their works. Simply spouting shit the way you just did does nothing more than demonstrate your own ignorance AND stupidity.
“Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face” - Thomas Sowell
“What "multiculturalism" boils down to is that you can praise any culture in the world except Western culture - and you cannot blame any culture in the world except Western culture” - Thomas Sowell
Why should we expect government to do a better job of running these companies?
Let's see, Social Security pays out more than it takes in, and if not fixed will eventually go bankrupt. Medicaid/Medicare pay out more than they take in and if not adjusted will begin taking larger and larger monies for the tax revenues. Those two programs alone are failures.
Social Security pays a rate of return of 1.3% and for far too many people it is there only means of retirement.
Medicare requires its participants to have outside insurance as well to limit the financial burden upon it recipients. Meanwhile, Medicaid continues to grow unchecked without the least bit of restraint placed upon its users.
Yeah, let government take over businesses and before long we will not be earning any money, all our monies will be taken in taxes and the government will supply us with everything.
Together we will all be miserable.
dmk
Conservatism, I repeat is not an ideology. It does not breed fanatics....But if you want men who seek, reasonably and prudently, to reconcile the best in wisdom of our ancestors with the change which is essential to a vigorous civil social existence, then you will do well to turn to conservative principles-Russell Kirk-
Well.....I love you too however in the same way you think I am voting to "feel good" which is in essence sort of true, cause I feel great about voting my true conscience even when I am tempted to do otherwise, I think you like so many waste your opportunity to stand up for what you reallly believe in and "compromise". I understand the philosophy, power in numbers. Greater good.... that sort of thing!
I never said I was better than anyone......just a wee bit less willing to compromise what my country's soldiers died for! I'm fairly certain you would agree that we have made compromises on our liberty......right? I'm trying to be careful not to attempt to put words in anyone's mouth here. last time I wrote a passionate piece on this subject, you balled me out pretty good so I am mindful of this. (One could label this respect if one wanted).
Democrats and Republicans way of doing things have us where we are. As long os you are satisfied with those available choices you should continue to support the best answers you think are available. Fact is I think if a Libertarian ever got 10% of the vote many, (I didn't say you), would change their minds and join in.
Most polls conducted by Libertarian meet-up groups display some interesting stats. I go to these meetings so I see them. Have to take my word on this one though. A poll taken last summer found Dem-Rep vote around even with 4% claiming to be intending to vote Libertarian. Ok, we know all that. A question asked of Republicans in the same poll asked how many were voting Republican because they didn't want to cause a Democrat to be elected by voting Libertarian. 13% said this was the exact reason they were voting Republican. Of the 4% who claimed to be card carrying Libertarians, 38% said it was possible they could vote for a Republican to prevent a Democratic victory and might.
I am of the mindset that I certainly understand the struggle that goes on in the conscience of many conservative people. There are issues on the Libertarian platform that for a truly conservative individual can be difficult to come to grips with. Abortion, The War on Drugs and Anti-War stances particularly. i repeat....I understand. I am anti-Abortion!!!! Let me say that again, I am anti-Abortion. I don't believe in it. I believe in Abstinence and family education of children to be prepared for a world of temptation. I also believe in God! I believe that when young people maintain a relationship of Christian faith with their family and friends they stand a much greater chance of NOT being in the awkward position of needing to make this horrible decision. I believe in whole families! Father, Mother, grandparents and other relatives and role models of a positive nature being everpresent in young people's lives. THIS prevents Abortion. I don't consider Abortion a political platform item.
Soooooooo......Miss Kathy. I certainly know there are differences between Republicans and Libertarians. I also know I am not likely to change your mind any day soon but I can always hope that YOU will and I see it as a duty, especially on a chat board to continually try in a tactful manner to do exactly that and see that happen. I know I get a bit passionate at times so you just keep on keeping me in line!
Libertarians have inspired me since the 70's. I have been especially impressed by members such as Ed Clark, Harry Brown and of course Ron Paul. I had problems with the "No Border Enforcement" policies of the early years but like all party agendas of all parties, they adjusted it. It showed me that the party had the ability to evolve, which is one of the only reasons it took me until the eighties to vote for a Libertarian President. While they had not officially adopted the belief that borders should be patrolled, they had begun to understand that Illegal Immigration was a problem and was taxing the resources of our taxpayers. In the 90s they made it official.
Today no one fights harder for our liberty than a Libertarian. I know people who don't just up their ante at election time. They literally live it 365 and they do it realizing that their vision of a Libertarian America is probably never to be in their lifetime. I know folks who spend many hours of time volunteering in info workshops, blogging the internet and traveling to educate others who do it day in and day out. To me this passion is remarkable and I want to be one of these brave and uncompromising people. I repeat that it is never that anything I say is intended to make someone feel I am better than anyone. I merely offer myself as a Libertarian educator, a servant of sorts and I am humbled by that opportunity.
If you continue to think the way you have always thought, you will continue to get what you have always got!
A government big enough to provide you everything you need is big enough to take everything you have!
Marxism is the delusion that one can run society purely on altruism and collectivism. Libertarianism is the mirror-image delusion that one can run it purely on selfishness and individualism.
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"The government is a child that has found their parents credit card, and spends knowing that they never have to reconcile the bill with their own money"-Shannon Churchill
Fascism has come to America, wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. His name is Trump.
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. - George Orwell...The New GOP motto.
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't it in the mid-90's that firms other than banks were allowed to get into the busy of banking. I believe they were allowed to become these holding companies. BTW who was President back then??
Now comes the next step, taking over any firm that deals with the economy in any way large or small. What's next? The way I look at it, every company that does business in this country whether it be foreign or domestic, effects the economy. Therefore how much more of an excuse will they need to take them over as well?
dmk
Conservatism, I repeat is not an ideology. It does not breed fanatics....But if you want men who seek, reasonably and prudently, to reconcile the best in wisdom of our ancestors with the change which is essential to a vigorous civil social existence, then you will do well to turn to conservative principles-Russell Kirk-