Gun Control or...not

[Gunny]

So you think a person has to earn the right of self-defense?

I think every American has the right to own a gun, but I also agree with CT. I belive they should also have to take a course that teaches the basics.

All too often children are killed by improperly stored guns.

All too often improperly stored weapons are stolen and later used by criminals to commit further crimes.

All too oten people shoot themselves improperly handling a firearm.

Then, there are those people who just couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.

As responsible society, we require people in all walks of life to be licensed for what they are doing so that we know they have at least had the proper instructions.

I don't see that posessing firearms should be any different.

[darin]

I dunno about classes. I hear time and again that if we "Educate" people, they'll make the right choice. The problem isn't education; it's that you can't TEACH somebody good judgement. With more and more Liberals having kids, Poor-judgement, bad world-views get more popular. I can't expect a person to handle adversity well, when their lives revolve around lies and junk.

[Mr. P]

No. I think a person should PROVE their right to self-defense via a gun.

:eek2: My choice for defense may not be your choice, but it is my right.

[The ClayTaurus]

I dunno about classes. I hear time and again that if we "Educate" people, they'll make the right choice. The problem isn't education; it's that you can't TEACH somebody good judgement. With more and more Liberals having kids, Poor-judgement, bad world-views get more popular. I can't expect a person to handle adversity well, when their lives revolve around lies and junk.

Yet people want to arm these poor-judgement, bad world-view folks without so much as a blink of the eye. 'tis frightening.

[The ClayTaurus]

:eek2: My choice for defense may not be your choice, but it is my right.

It is your duty to practice that right responsibly, which I'm sure you do quite well. Plenty do not, however.

[Mr. P]

I think every American has the right to own a gun, but I also agree with CT. I belive they should also have to take a course that teaches the basics.

All too often children are killed by improperly stored guns.

All too often improperly stored weapons are stolen and later used by criminals to commit further crimes.

All too oten people shoot themselves improperly handling a firearm.

Then, there are those people who just couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.

As responsible society, we require people in all walks of life to be licensed for what they are doing so that we know they have at least had the proper instructions.

I don't see that posessing firearms should be any different.

I agree with the concept of training. However, as far as a license, that would be the Constitution.

[Gunny]

I dunno about classes. I hear time and again that if we "Educate" people, they'll make the right choice. The problem isn't education; it's that you can't TEACH somebody good judgement. With more and more Liberals having kids, Poor-judgement, bad world-views get more popular. I can't expect a person to handle adversity well, when their lives revolve around lies and junk.

You are correct in that judgement usually can't be taught. However, when it comes to owning and using a firearm, the proper handling and use CAN be taught, as well as the laws that govern its use.

Yes, there will STILL be those morons that no amount of education can cure. But you have legally stripped away all their excuses.

[Mr. P]

It is your duty to practice that right responsibly, which I'm sure you do quite well. Plenty do not, however.

True and that applies to all areas of life which makes it, Life (reality).

I agree we need some limits. The problem with some limits anti-gun folks propose is they will only affect the law abiding folks. We all know this.

So the answer is what? Legislate common sense? Legislate gun locks? Legislate NO IDOITS can buy guns? That'll never work. I don't care how many classes you have people attend or how much training they receive someone is going to F'up.

Someone will not insure their gun is unloaded before an accidental discharge.
Someone will leave a loaded gun around for a kid to pick-up.
Someone will steal an unsecured gun and use it in a crime.

There is NO WAY to prevent these things from happening. A ban on guns won't do it, that's been proven over and over. In fact, more guns are better, that as well has been proven over and over.

In my opinion the best we can hope for or should support, is enforcing the law and increasing the penalty for anyone that commits a crime with a firearm.

We can not and must not legislate to the lowest common denominator. That’s like the dumbing down we see in the schools now and we see how well that is working.

[Gunny]

I agree with the concept of training. However, as far as a license, that would be the Constitution.

The Constitution guarantees the Right to keep and bear arms. I'm not for gun control by any means.

A license/certification/permit/whatever stating an individual completed a basic training course just strips away their excuses when they later do something stupid.

I am as sensitive to the infringement of 2nd Amendment Rights as you are. But we both KNOW there are idiots out there who shouldn't be let out of the house, much less allowed to posess a firearm. They are the ones that give legitimate gun owners a bad name and keep us under attack.

Well, them and the criminals and the control-freak lefties who want to disarm the public.

[The ClayTaurus]

True and that applies to all areas of life which makes it, Life (reality).

I agree we need some limits. The problem with some limits anti-gun folks propose is they will only affect the law abiding folks. We all know this.

So the answer is what? Legislate common sense? Legislate gun locks? Legislate NO IDOITS can buy guns? That'll never work. I don't care how many classes you have people attend or how much training they receive someone is going to F'up.

I don't think the answer is just giving unrestricted access to everyone because there is no perfect solution.

[Mr. P]

I don't think the answer is just giving unrestricted access to everyone because there is no perfect solution.

We don't give unrestricted access now and shouldn't. Like I said, "I agree we need some limits.".

[The ClayTaurus]

"I agree we need some limits.".

Well then let's shut the fuck up and drink beer!

[Gaffer]

In Ohio you have to take a course and get certified to carry. Basically it says that you are now responsible for what you do with that gun.

I'm all for people being armed, but there are people out there that are just not competent. And they can be as dangerous as the criminals. But an armed population is a safer population.

The meth head situation sounds like a don't draw situation to me. When he's already pointing it at your head you just back off and don't threaten. To draw on him would then invite a shoot out. Before you do that you have to be aware of what's behind you. What's behind him. And who's around the two of you.

Being aware of your surroundings is one of the first things taught in the certification classes. And its the first thing to be forgotten when a situation arises.

[dirt mcgirt]

The meth head situation sounds like a don't draw situation to me. When he's already pointing it at your head you just back off and don't threaten. To draw on him would then invite a shoot out. Before you do that you have to be aware of what's behind you. What's behind him. And who's around the two of you.

I thought the same thing.

Good thread and good points all around from everyone.

[avatar4321]

Personally, im not a gun person. I prefer hand to hand combat.

However, with that said, I think its rather stupid to say people cant defend themselves with guns. I also think that the government seems to confused gun control, with gun bans. And I dont think the government has the authority to ban guns.