Roll over from "Does God Exist" - How old is the Earth?

[Grumplestillskin]

He wrote this:
‘As it is impossible to distinguish a valid isochron from an apparent isochron in the light of Rb-Sr isotopic data alone, caution must be taken in explaining the Rb-Sr isochron age of any geological system.’9

I'll ask again, where does he state that isochronic dating is totally unreliable and the earth is only 6000 years old?

You forgot the golden rule of Fundie Religion 101: When presented with opinions, facts, evidence, we only accept that which fits our preconceived ideas. Everything else is irrelevent!

[Mr. P]

I’d just like to say thanks to Jim for the new-way, new board and all that.

Some of you old time folks know very well this thread would have been locked pages ago in a far away place.

It’s nice things have changed.

That’s all.

[darin]

You forgot the golden rule of Fundie Religion 101: When presented with opinions, facts, evidence, we only accept that which fits our preconceived ideas. Everything else is irrelevent!

And YOU folk are forgetting golden rule of Ignorant-but-blissful Secularists and Evolutionists who fear the idea of God, because conviction hurts: When presented with opinions, facts, evidence, we only accept that which fits our preconceived ideas. Everything else is irrelevent!

I think MOST (not all) of the anti-creationism folk here in this thread are so biased and committed to their opinion that NO amount of Truth would convince them of the err of their ways. You folk blindly follow HUGE stretches and leaps of logic, and denounce evidence which makes MUCH more logical sense.

[Mr. P]

And YOU folk are forgetting golden rule of Ignorant-but-blissful Secularists and Evolutionists who fear the idea of God, because conviction hurts: When presented with opinions, facts, evidence, we only accept that which fits our preconceived ideas. Everything else is irrelevent!

I think MOST (not all) of the anti-creationism folk here in this thread are so biased and committed to their opinion that NO amount of Truth would convince them of the err of their ways. You folk blindly follow HUGE stretches and leaps of logic, and denounce evidence which makes MUCH more logical sense.

And what you don't understand is Evolution does not deny a God.

[darin]

And what you don't understand is Evolution does not deny a God.

Yes. It does. Macro Evolution is completely contrary to God. Nevermind the fact Macro Evolution doesn't make sense, it goes against what we know of God. Intelligent Design of this universe, whether you want to call that God, or whatever, makes MUCH more sense; and is MUCH MORE compelling a theory than Macro Evolution. At least it is to people with open minds.

[Missileman]

And YOU folk are forgetting golden rule of Ignorant-but-blissful Secularists and Evolutionists who fear the idea of God, because conviction hurts: When presented with opinions, facts, evidence, we only accept that which fits our preconceived ideas. Everything else is irrelevent!

I think MOST (not all) of the anti-creationism folk here in this thread are so biased and committed to their opinion that NO amount of Truth would convince them of the err of their ways. You folk blindly follow HUGE stretches and leaps of logic, and denounce evidence which makes MUCH more logical sense.

It makes sense to you that 3000 years ago, a few human beings gathered a pair of every species on the planet, built a boat big enough to house them all, rode out a flood that covered the entire planet and killed every living thing that wasn't on the boat, then this handful of middle-eastern Jews multiplied to the extent of world repopulation, spread to the four corners of the globe, morphed into different races, devised different languages and alphabets, invented new gods and religions, etc, etc, within a few generations? That notion is as far away from logical sense as you can get. This same ancient tome that brings us this tale of nonsense is to be trusted to accurately depict the beginning of the earth? Gimme a break.

[Mr. P]

Yes. It does. Macro Evolution is completely contrary to God. Nevermind the fact Macro Evolution doesn't make sense, it goes against what we know of God. Intelligent Design of this universe, whether you want to call that God, or whatever, makes MUCH more sense; and is MUCH MORE compelling a theory than Macro Evolution. At least it is to people with open minds.

OMG...enough said, you'll never get it. :eek2:

[Grumplestillskin]

Ignorant-but-blissful Secularists and Evolutionists who fear the idea of God, because conviction hurts

What a load of tripe. Actually, if everything said about God was true (and I'm talking normal Christian beliefs here, not born-again Fundie beliefs), then I would be a fool NOT to believe in a god. The fact I don't is more in keeping with logic after taking all things into consideration. I find the idea of a god about as believable as the Tooth Fairy or Santa Claus, however to those that do believe, good luck to them. To those that want to belittle others, pfffftttt...

I think MOST (not all) of the Fundie Christians here in this thread are so biased and committed to their opinion that NO amount of Truth would convince them of the err of their ways. You folk blindly follow HUGE stretches and leaps of logic, and denounce evidence which makes MUCH more logical sense.

[Grumplestillskin]

Yes. It does. Macro Evolution is completely contrary to God. Nevermind the fact Macro Evolution doesn't make sense, it goes against what we know of God. Intelligent Design of this universe, whether you want to call that God, or whatever, makes MUCH more sense; and is MUCH MORE compelling a theory than Macro Evolution. At least it is to people with open minds.

Of course macro evolution is contrary to creationists. You guys have a different set of beliefs. ID of the universe makes no sense, and is severely limited in its theory. That last sentence - there you go belittling again.

[5stringJeff]

This thread has, unfortunately, ignored the fact that their are more than two theories. I myself happen to believe in what is called Old Earth Creationism, which states that the universe was indeed created by God, but that the universe is indeed 13.7 billion years old (the latest estimate I've heard). More specifially (since OEC is a broad belief):

1. I believe in progressive creation, which says that God actively intervened in creating new parts of creation in different times in history. This is very different from evolution, which states that different life forms evolved; I believe that God created each individual species as a unique work. (One will note that in Genesis 1, God is doing a lot of stuff. He didn't just clap his hands and sit back and watch it unfold).

2. I believe in Day-Age Creationism. This simply states that the "days" in Genesis are actually eons/eras. The Hebrew word "yom" used in Genesis 1 is accurately translated with either 'day' or 'age.'
3. I believe that God's general revelation (in nature) and His specific revelation (in Scripture) will not contradict. If His general revelation shows the universe to be billions of years old, it makes more sense to interpret the Scriptures in such a way that agree with that knowledge.

[Insein]

This thread has, unfortunately, ignored the fact that their are more than two theories. I myself happen to believe in what is called Old Earth Creationism, which states that the universe was indeed created by God, but that the universe is indeed 13.7 billion years old (the latest estimate I've heard). More specifially (since OEC is a broad belief):

1. I believe in progressive creation, which says that God actively intervened in creating new parts of creation in different times in history. This is very different from evolution, which states that different life forms evolved; I believe that God created each individual species as a unique work. (One will note that in Genesis 1, God is doing a lot of stuff. He didn't just clap his hands and sit back and watch it unfold).

2. I believe in Day-Age Creationism. This simply states that the "days" in Genesis are actually eons/eras. The Hebrew word "yom" used in Genesis 1 is accurately translated with either 'day' or 'age.'
3. I believe that God's general revelation (in nature) and His specific revelation (in Scripture) will not contradict. If His general revelation shows the universe to be billions of years old, it makes more sense to interpret the Scriptures in such a way that agree with that knowledge.

Thank you. Some freakin sanity in the matter. This is about where i stand on the issue. God created it all but he didn't do it 6000 years ago. The bible is a bunch of stories to help guide your life by much like the parables that Jesus told. It is not a historical recollection of exact events that occurred at an exact time.

[jillian]

Thank you. Some freakin sanity in the matter. This is about where i stand on the issue. God created it all but he didn't do it 6000 years ago. The bible is a bunch of stories to help guide your life by much like the parables that Jesus told. It is not a historical recollection of exact events that occurred at an exact time.

About where I am on the subject, too, though I think evolution was one of the means through which G-d acted. Science and bible aren't mutually exclusive unless you view every word of the bible from a literal perspective.

[darin]

OMG...enough said, you'll never get it. :eek2:

Never get what? the closed-minded means you folk look at the world around us? I suppose I won't get it. You guys are ABSOLUTELY opposed to ANYTHING which may be from a different point of view.

[Mr. P]

Never get what? the closed-minded means you folk look at the world around us? I suppose I won't get it. You guys are ABSOLUTELY opposed to ANYTHING which may be from a different point of view.

Pot-kettle-black

[The ClayTaurus]

Yes. It does. Macro Evolution is completely contrary to God. Nevermind the fact Macro Evolution doesn't make sense, it goes against what we know of God. Intelligent Design of this universe, whether you want to call that God, or whatever, makes MUCH more sense; and is MUCH MORE compelling a theory than Macro Evolution. At least it is to people with open minds.

How does the theory of evolution deny the existance of a God or supernatural?