Psychology of money and taxation

[Mr. P]

Whether or not taxation is stealing has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not its proponents have decided to name it the "fair tax". The authority to tax income is derived from the 16th amendment and the 16th amendment does not require that all levels of income be subject to the same tax.

No shit? Damn boy, you amaze me, NOT! As far as the fair tax being stealing..it's up to each individual to determine how much tax they pay..their choice..no stealing there kid.
Oh and the 16th would be repealed as part of the implementation of the fair tax

[SpidermanTUba]

You can't even formulate a logical response...you just clarified your which.

Well, which are you? A child molester or a puppy eater?

[SpidermanTUba]

..it's up to each individual to determine how much tax they pay..their choice.

There are criminal penalties for failing to comply, including, prison time, the garnishment of wages and bank accounts.

Oh and the 16th would be repealed as part of the implementation of the fair tax

LOL! Wow, now you're dreaming. You're also full of shit. The so called "Fair Tax" has nothing to do with the repeal of the 16th amendment, as it does not require it for its implementation.

[Missileman]

Well, which are you? A child molester or a puppy eater?

You've established no basis for the question, tard. Let me put it another way. Is that a question you should be asking yourself first?

[Mr. P]

There are criminal penalties for failing to comply, including, prison time, the garnishment of wages and bank accounts.


LOL! Wow, now you're dreaming. You're also full of shit. The so called "Fair Tax" has nothing to do with the repeal of the 16th amendment, as it does not require it for its implementation.

There are no penalties in the fair tax I'm aware off.
And yes, the 16th must be repealed BEFORE the fair tax goes into effect. It's in there as a part of the implementation...why? So the looters can't double tax yer ass. Go read about it at Fairtax.org

[Palin Rider]

When someone's hard earned money is taken and given to a person/project that goes against their core values .... it feels like stealing.

It's also the price that everyone pays to live in any society.

[Mr. P]

It's also the price that everyone pays to live in any society.

But is the price equal? Why not?

[Palin Rider]

But is the price equal? Why not?

It's impossible for the price to be equal. We can't even quantify it.

[Mr. P]

It's impossible for the price to be equal. We can't even quantify it.

Say you go into a store and buy "X" and you pay $20 for "X" Then I go into the same store and buy "X" and pay $50.
We both have "X" why the price difference? Because I have more money? Or did I just miss the sale at the polls?

[Palin Rider]

Say you go into a store and buy "X" and you pay $20 for "X" Then I go into the same store and buy "X" and pay $50.
We both have "X" why the price difference? Because I have more money? Or did I just miss the sale at the polls?

I was referring to mrsKP's comment that paying taxes for the government to spend money on things you don't personally approve of "feels like stealing."

That's the "price" I said we pay, and obviously you can't quantify that.

To your point, I understand the motivation to make taxation fair. Honestly, I do. Unfortunately, it's like trying to make all social classes be treated with equal fairness. The theory is great, but in practice, it's always been a miserable failure (for example, Marxism).

[Palin Rider]

Do you have any support for that statement?

Valid question: I need to go back and do some homework, but I'll have good sources for you in a while. Stay tuned.

[Mr. P]

I was referring to mrsKP's comment that paying taxes for the government to spend money on things you don't personally approve of "feels like stealing."

That's the "price" I said we pay, and obviously you can't quantify that.

To your point, I understand the motivation to make taxation fair. Honestly, I do. Unfortunately, it's like trying to make all social classes be treated with equal fairness. The theory is great, but in practice, it's always been a miserable failure (for example, Marxism).

Social classes in the USA are by choice, taxes under the current system aren't. So really, one IS fair since we control our own destiny (class), while the other, tax, is not.

[fj1200]

Social classes in the USA are by choice, taxes under the current system aren't. So really, one IS fair since we control our own destiny (class), while the other, tax, is not.

I don't know if that's true. Opportunity may be equal (ideally) but one can't necessarily choose to be part of the i.e. blue-blood-old-money social class.

[fj1200]

People who molest children or eat puppies - which are you?

Puppies, they're just so darned tender. Unfortunately it takes about three litters to make a good kung-pao.

[SassyLady]

I don't know if that's true. Opportunity may be equal (ideally) but one can't necessarily choose to be part of the i.e. blue-blood-old-money social class.

Agree that one probably can't choose to part of the BBOM...but they could choose to create their own fortune and be a part of the red-blooded, new-money social class!!