How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin.
Ronald Reagan
You should try reading my posts several times before commenting on them. I clearly stated that the ones that die EARLY have severe defects.
However,
It doesnt make them any less human.
Logrollers consideration that having ten fingers, etc is what makes one human, well, what about amputees?
Protection of the life of its citizens is the top priority of the govt, so, the govt should be involved inprotecting those who are the least capable of protecting themselves.
The whole question always comes down to , is the fetus an individual human being or not? When does the fertilized egg become an IHB?
There are really only two certain demarcation lines that wont change. Fertilization and birth.
The different phases of viability will change as science advances. I could hardly believe that anyone would say that the time a IHB comes into existence is determined by the level of advancement of our science, and it changes as science advances.
Then, on the other hand, very, very few would say the 8-1/2 month old fetus/baby is not a viable IHB (Individual human being)
Those who do believe that the 8-1/2 month old fetus is an IHB, would either have to believe that its status as an IHB occurs either at fertilization, or at some point in pregnancy.
Again, if they try to claim its during the pregnancy period, that is completely subjective, subject to change, inconsistent, and probably dependent on science, and definately dependent of the developement of the baby in utero, of which all babies develope at different rates.
This would cause the point of IHB to be variable, in which case, aborting at virtually anytime would allow for the POSSIBLITY that the fetus is an IHB, and we couldnt know for sure. If we dont know for sure, we have to err on the side of caution and assume it is an IHB
At times they sure act different than.....
I DONT CLAIM TO KN0OW ANYTHING ABOUT HUMAN NATURE
NOIR DO I KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT CRITICAL THINKING
And you should read mine more closely, because I never said they weren't human, I said they would never be a viable human being. One of my skin cells is human, it is not however a human being. You seem very close to arguing that any collection of tissue with human DNA is a human being no matter its form or viability. That's not logical ground.
There are other clear lines between fertilization and birth that you ignore because it suits your argument.
I DONT CLAIM TO KN0OW ANYTHING ABOUT HUMAN NATURE
NOIR DO I KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT CRITICAL THINKING
Last edited by logroller; 06-15-2011 at 01:35 PM.
He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.AeschylusRead more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/qu...zeMUwcpY1Io.99
Its ironic i would overlook this post!
Though I agree with all your statements, I, at the same time, realize reason plays a significant role. I mean, 8 month and 2 month-old fetuses are developmentally different. To say fertilization and birth are the only lines seems unreasonable. What about implantation, nervous stimulation and response. Anybody who's felt or seen a baby's kick on the mother's stomach can reason there is an actual being inside far more easily than morning sickness or a baby bump.
Last edited by logroller; 06-15-2011 at 01:51 PM.
He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.AeschylusRead more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/qu...zeMUwcpY1Io.99
And the fearless award goes to... Prophet.
A newborn will die without some mother's milk. Even a toddler will die without someone to feed it. Yes, these have developed all the parts needed to survive, but in all three cases (fetus, newborn, toddler), there is death without some sort of sustainability. In fact, the fetus will survive if the mom just goes on doing what she normally does to live herself. The babies need active, purposeful care.
After the game, the king and the pawn go into the same box - Author unknown
“Unfortunately, the truth is now whatever the media say it is”
-Abbey
I apologize...there is indeed a difference between ignoring and ignorance. I mistakingly gave you the benefit of the doubt and applied the former. I should have realized that statements like "there are only two clear lines of demarcation" are born of the latter. My bad!
Remember this folks
Guns do not kill people. Abortion clinics kill people
How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin.
Ronald Reagan