America was founded as a Christian Nation

[SassyLady]

I acknowledge your intended point, but I think we have a bit of semantics here. How do you really separate the two? We are not a nation founded with a state-sponsored religion. Quite the opposite, and I think we can all agree on that point.

But if you look at the founders and the signers, they were mostly Christian, and not just in name only. These were devout Christians, a good number of whom were even pastors. They had no problem expressing their faith in God, and including that expression in their public and political dealings.

The problem is that a vocal and well-funded minority has decided over the years to be offended by that public expression, and have sought endlessly to stifle it, in the (erroneous) name of separation of church and state. Even a cursory reading of American history informs us that this is not what our early leaders intended.

The tyranny of a state sponsored religion is a far cry from children singing a Christmas carol in a school concert, for one small example.
I think there is an easily-reached, logical middle ground on this issue, and I am amazed at how hard it is for people to grasp. While arguing that we are a Christian theocracy is wrong, trying to redact the truth about our founders' strong and public expression of faith is absurd.

Well said, Abbey!

[PostmodernProphet]

Couldn't be the age of the maps could it?

So how 'bout the cornerstone there Slick, any comment?

lol....that was a "reinactment" of placing the cornerstone conducted by a bunch of Masons.....I know Strom was old, but he wasn't present at the original event......

[Kathianne]

I acknowledge your intended point, but I think we have a bit of semantics here. How do you really separate the two? We are not a nation founded with a state-sponsored religion. Quite the opposite, and I think we can all agree on that point.

But if you look at the founders and the signers, they were mostly Christian, and not just in name only. These were devout Christians, a good number of whom were even pastors. They had no problem expressing their faith in God, and including that expression in their public and political dealings.

The problem is that a vocal and well-funded minority has decided over the years to be offended by that public expression, and have sought endlessly to stifle it, in the (erroneous) name of separation of church and state. Even a cursory reading of American history informs us that this is not what our early leaders intended.

The tyranny of a state sponsored religion is a far cry from children singing a Christmas carol in a school concert, for one small example.
I think there is an easily-reached, logical middle ground on this issue, and I am amazed at how hard it is for people to grasp. While arguing that we are a Christian theocracy is wrong, trying to redact the truth about our founders' strong and public expression of faith is absurd.

I agree with everything you say. No doubt that most involved in the passage of the Constitution were Christian, in both heart and mind. However, my point I don't know how many pages ago, was that when it came to the Constitution, they discussed and then chose to leave religion out of the document. Not because they didn't believe, but they recognized the diversity of the land, even then, and didn't want religion causing the Euro zone. Much like the issue of slavery, many if not most thought it wrong, yet they purposefully decided not to address, to get the Constitution done.

It's not perfect, wasn't meant to be. Was as perfect as they could make it at that Convention, at that time.

[bullypulpit]

OH, I see the sign now, OK, I see whats going on here.

Strawman? Where?

[Noir]

I acknowledge your intended point, but I think we have a bit of semantics here. How do you really separate the two? We are not a nation founded with a state-sponsored religion. Quite the opposite, and I think we can all agree on that point.

They are quite easily separated, America was not founded as a Christian Nation, but rather as a secular on, that guaranteed the rights of the religious, meaning the people where free to be Christain, as most were, and not worry about state interference.

But if you look at the founders and the signers, they were mostly Christian, and not just in name only. These were devout Christians, a good number of whom were even pastors. They had no problem expressing their faith in God, and including that expression in their public and political dealings.

That doesn't mean America was founded as a Christian nation, it means that those who set it up were smart enough to realise that secularism protected their religion aswell as the state.

The problem is that a vocal and well-funded minority has decided over the years to be offended by that public expression, and have sought endlessly to stifle it, in the (erroneous) name of separation of church and state. Even a cursory reading of American history informs us that this is not what our early leaders intended.

Vocal and well funded? I don't think so, when have you ever heard of a politician going after the 'atheist vote'? I certainly haven't. But I have heard them go after the 'Jewish vote' even though the Jew are outnumbered many times over by atheists, odd that...but it's because atheists don't have the power or influence, yet, in America.

The tyranny of a state sponsored religion is a far cry from children singing a Christmas carol in a school concert, for one small example.
I think there is an easily-reached, logical middle ground on this issue, and I am amazed at how hard it is for people to grasp. While arguing that we are a Christian theocracy is wrong, trying to redact the truth about our founders' strong and public expression of faith is absurd.

Okay, you also won't mind song to Allah and Thor etc to be sung? Or is tyranny by majority at work in schools?

[logroller]

America was also founded upon the belief that "All men are created equal" Does that imply women aren't equal?
America was founded upon Divine Providence; this being a tenant of Christian doctrine doesn't imply alternative religious preferences were excluded. Au contaire, religious freedom was guaranteed by the First Amendment.
I don't usually take to the defense of the ACLU, but it's un-American to employ personal freedoms to dispell another's.

[Dante]

How many times is Christianity mentioned in the US Constitution or even the Declaration of Independence? How about in the Federalist Papers, a group of essays addressing the fears of anti-Federalists?

[Dante]

... it's un-American to employ personal freedoms to dispell another's.

This is exactly what the Roman Catholic Archbishop of New York does in his fight against Gay Marriages:

'While one searches the Constitution in vain to find any “right” of two people of the same sex to marry, one immediately locates the right of people of faith not to have intrusive government interfere with the free exercise of religion as the first of the Bill of Rights.'

http://blog.archny.org/?p=1263&cpage=1

[logroller]

This is exactly what the Roman Catholic Archbishop of New York does in his fight against Gay Marriages:

'While one searches the Constitution in vain to find any “right” of two people of the same sex to marry, one immediately locates the right of people of faith not to have intrusive government interfere with the free exercise of religion as the first of the Bill of Rights.'

http://blog.archny.org/?p=1263&cpage=1

I couldn't agree more. Accepting marriage as a religious act, bound by the tenants therein, government should make no laws prohibiting the free exercise thereof. I must interdict, however, the free exercise clause is preceded by the establishment clause, indicating government shall make no law respecting such. Thus, accepting traditional marriage as being an exclusive religious practice, it is excluded from the guise of government interest as well and civil recognition of marriage is unconstitutional.

[DragonStryk72]

This is exactly what the Roman Catholic Archbishop of New York does in his fight against Gay Marriages:

'While one searches the Constitution in vain to find any “right” of two people of the same sex to marry, one immediately locates the right of people of faith not to have intrusive government interfere with the free exercise of religion as the first of the Bill of Rights.'

http://blog.archny.org/?p=1263&cpage=1

Also, he won't find any rights in the Constitution. Nope, it doesn't have any for you, or anyone else. The Constitution doesn't provide us with rights, because the Founders believed that we born with them. The Constitution simply provides checks on governmental power, to ensure that we are free to exercise our rights.

[J.T]

America was founded as a white nation

name one negroe founding father

name one mexican who signed the DOI

name any non-white who signed COTUS

America was founded by White men upon White culture and values

[fj1200]

America was founded by White men upon White culture and values

Then I guess that's why we have exactly the same structure as all the European countries that they originated from. Oh wait...

[J.T]

Then I guess that's why we have exactly the same structure as all the European countries that they originated from. Oh wait...

So we weren't founded on traditional, European, Christian values?

So much for the premise of the OP...

[fj1200]

So we weren't founded on traditional, European, Christian values?

So much for the premise of the OP...

I wasn't commenting on the OP, just you wanting to keep whitey down.

You complained about whitey running things so everything that whitey runs must be the same, they're not.

[Prince Lemon]

I believe that America was built on Judeo-Christian values.Only in the 1960s the way of Godlessness began that gave ways to Marxist humanism and all the decays.