Satisfactory progress being made in the liberal agenda

[SassyLady]

It's an interesting philosophical take on personhood, but little more than that.

And, it's this type of minimizing the subject that allows the slippery slope to exist.

[SassyLady]

What is the "liberal agenda" according to you? Do all liberals have the same stance on every issue?

It is wide and varied but the underlying theme is to eradicate personal responsibility.

Edited to add:

Not all liberals have same stance on all issues; not all conservatives have same stance on every issue.

[Wind Song]

It is wide and varied but the underlying theme is to eradicate personal responsibility.

Edited to add:

Not all liberals have same stance on all issues; not all conservatives have same stance on every issue.

I disagree with you that there is a liberal "agenda". There are a number of civil rights and anti-war movements that are considered "liberal" but they have nothing to do with eradicating personal responsibility.

Perhaps you could elaborate more on exactly what you mean and which liberals you are talking about.

Liberals aren't terribly organized into broad, groups. Conservatives organize by religion, and they are a big group with an agenda of policing other peoples moral choices.

[Noir]

And, it's this type of minimizing the subject that allows the slippery slope to exist.

Then you'd hate all psychological philosophy.

[SassyLady]

Then you'd hate all psychological philosophy.

Noir, where would you place this particular philosophy on the Overton Window?

[SassyLady]

I disagree with you that there is a liberal "agenda". There are a number of civil rights and anti-war movements that are considered "liberal" but they have nothing to do with eradicating personal responsibility.

Perhaps you could elaborate more on exactly what you mean and which liberals you are talking about.

Liberals aren't terribly organized into broad, groups. Conservatives organize by religion, and they are a big group with an agenda of policing other peoples moral choices.

Do you not think the LGBT is a group of liberals that are actively promoting an agenda of policing other peoples moral choices?

What about American Atheists....do you not see this group as a liberal organization with an agenda to police other peoples moral choices?

Do I really need to list more?

BTW ... I am conservative and I am not affiliated with any religion.

[Noir]

Noir, where would you place this particular philosophy on the Overton Window?

I'd say radical.

[SassyLady]

I'd say radical.

Today it is....but how soon before it become Policy?

[Noir]

Today it is....but how soon before it become Policy?

If you think that's going to happen fair enough, i don't, like i said, this is a point of philosophy, not unlike countless other similar arguments on what it is to be a 'person' and what is 'identity' dating back thousands of years.

[SassyLady]

If you think that's going to happen fair enough, i don't, like i said, this is a point of philosophy, not unlike countless other similar arguments on what it is to be a 'person' and what is 'identity' dating back thousands of years.

Question: when do you personally think "personhood" begins?

[Noir]

Question: when do you personally think "personhood" begins?

I have no idea. And the more i study philosophy the less i know.

[SassyLady]

I have no idea. And the more i study philosophy the less i know.

If you were "pregnant", when would you want it to begin?

[Noir]

If you were "pregnant", when would you want it to begin?

If my gf was pregnant (more likey lol) i would (i think) act as if personhood came into being at the moment i learned of the pregnancy, i.e. a few weeks after the conception,

but i'd have a very hard time convincing someone else who didn't think the same way that they should think the same, because there is no 'reason' for it as such.

[SassyLady]

If my gf was pregnant (more likey lol) i would (i think) act as if personhood came into being at the moment i learned of the pregnancy, i.e. a few weeks after the conception,

but i'd have a very hard time convincing someone else who didn't think the same way that they should think the same, because there is no 'reason' for it as such.

When I was pregnant my husband would tell everyone that "we" were preggars which is why I referred to it that way. I'm glad to see that you would immediately start thinking of your child as a person with an identity the moment you were aware of it's existence.

You are also right in that you can't convince everyone of this .... the bond/thread of connection to a child from the moment of being aware of it's existence is different for everyone, and unfortunately, has to be a personal experience....one that can rarely be passed on through discussion only.

When I was pregnant I felt no connection until I felt movement because we didn't have technology to "see". I was with my daughter when they did the ultrasound of my granddaughter and I fell in love immediately. You either connect or you don't, and I do not understand how anyone cannot connect at that early age and be immediately protective.

[Wind Song]

Do you not think the LGBT is a group of liberals that are actively promoting an agenda of policing other peoples moral choices?

What about American Atheists....do you not see this group as a liberal organization with an agenda to police other peoples moral choices?

Do I really need to list more?

BTW ... I am conservative and I am not affiliated with any religion.

There are people who advocate for marriage equality. Some of them are liberal, some are moderate and some are conservative.

I presume atheists also come in conservative, moderate and liberal colors.

Marriage equality doesn't take any conservative or moderates choices to marry away from them.

You are conservative. I don't know if that just means fiscally or if you're a right wing moralist.

I don't presume what your use of the term conservative means to you.