General Wants Gay Ban Lifted

[OCA]

yeah...the general and former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is an idiot and the gunny sargeant is freakin' Einstein.

that makes shitloads of sense.

Maybe he sucked his way to the top? Could be why he wants the ban lifted.

[Pale Rider]

"Hey Bruce lets keep an eye out for the enemy. Gee Joe I'm having a hard time focusing on that, I keep thinking about your butt."

LMFAO!!!!

[retiredman]

Maybe he sucked his way to the top? Could be why he wants the ban lifted.

or....trying to be serious.... or, maybe he knows what he is talking about and knows that gay men and women are perfectly capable of serving their country with honor... and now, especially now, when we are issuing stop gap orders and holding soldiers after the end of their enlistments and when we are keeping soldiers from retiring on time and when we are sending national guard units made up of weekend warrior citizen soldiers back into the Iraqi meatgrinder for the third time and when we are having to lower our recruiting standards to make our quotas....maybe we should think about letting those capable and qualified soldiers/sailors/airmen/marines who are also gay continue to serve and "get over" our irrational homophobia.

Just a thought.

[darin]

Your posts drip with venom in that regard. You're only fooling yourself and those that think like you, if you don't see what you are saying...

You're having trouble Grump. Really. I have known and loved-as-brothers gay men. Same as I've known and loved people with other mental-emotional disorders. Talk about closed minded - you honestly can't see valuing somebody as a human being, yet being disgusted by their behavior?

Here's what you like to do: You like to brand people who don't agree with you in the MOST extreme way as a means to somehow validate your point of view. It's silly.

[darin]

or....trying to be serious.... or, maybe he knows what he is talking about and knows that gay men and women are perfectly capable of serving their country with honor... and now, especially now, when we are issuing stop gap orders and holding soldiers after the end of their enlistments and when we are keeping soldiers from retiring on time and when we are sending national guard units made up of weekend warrior citizen soldiers back into the Iraqi meatgrinder for the third time and when we are having to lower our recruiting standards to make our quotas....maybe we should think about letting those capable and qualified soldiers/sailors/airmen/marines who are also gay continue to serve and "get over" our irrational homophobia.

Just a thought.

It's a fallacy to think that 1%? less? of the population would translate into enough qualified recruits to make a difference in our manning strength.

[retiredman]

You're having trouble Grump. Really. I have known and loved-as-brothers gay men. Same as I've known and loved people with other mental-emotional disorders. Talk about closed minded - you honestly can't see valuing somebody as a human being, yet being disgusted by their behavior?

Here's what you like to do: You like to brand people who don't agree with you in the MOST extreme way as a means to somehow validate your point of view. It's silly.

not many people who treat mental-emotional disorders consider homosexuality to be one. I am not gay, but I, too know and am friends with many gay men and lesbian women. None of them consider themselves to have any mental-emotional disorders either. Did the gay men that you loved as brothers feel as if they had such a disorder? Were they aware that a guy who claimed to love them as brothers was, nonetheless judging them thusly?

[retiredman]

It's a fallacy to think that 1%? less? of the population would translate into enough qualified recruits to make a difference in our manning strength.

it is a fallacy to think that only 1% of our armed forces is gay..it is a fallacy to think that only 1% of our population is gay.

[retiredman]

from wikipedia:


"In general, surveys quoted by anti-gay activists tend to show figures nearer 1%, while surveys quoted by gay activists tend to show figures nearer 10%, with a mean of 4-5% figure most often cited in mainstream media reports."

Which, given your expressed point of view, would explain your citing a 1% figure.

why am I not surprised?

[darin]

from wikipedia:


"In general, surveys quoted by anti-gay activists tend to show figures nearer 1%, while surveys quoted by gay activists tend to show figures nearer 10%, with a mean of 4-5% figure most often cited in mainstream media reports."

Which, given your expressed point of view, would explain your citing a 1% figure.

why am I not surprised?

Because I believe 1% is closer-to-accurate. Unless you count Prison. Or maybe the navy, it seems.

(shrug).

[darin]

it is a fallacy to think that only 1% of our armed forces is gay..it is a fallacy to think that only 1% of our population is gay.

If you want to believe Kool-Aide from Homogroups demanding special rights, then you're welcome to believe a lie.

[retiredman]

If you want to believe Kool-Aid from Homophobic groups demanding discriminatory treatment for people that frighten them, then you're welcome to believe a lie.

[retiredman]

Because I believe 1% is closer-to-accurate. Unless you count Prison. Or maybe the navy, it seems.

(shrug).

and you whine about personal attacks?

wow.

in what branch did you serve, by the way?

[darin]

If you want to believe Kool-Aid from Homophobic groups demanding discriminatory treatment for people that frighten them, then you're welcome to believe a lie.

What makes 'you people' think people with rational and common sense are somehow AFRAID of homosexuals is beyond me. We CARE about homosexuals - we want to see them get help!

and you whine about personal attacks?

wow.

in what branch did you serve, by the way?

Personal attacks? Are you INSULTED by my inter-service-barb about the navy being gay? Is being Gay somehow Bad???Wha???

Go Army!

[retiredman]

Do you know that the class of 2007 at Annapolis NEVER saw Navy lose to Army in football?

maybe the nancy-boys are at West Point?

[darin]

Do you know that the class of 2007 at Annapolis NEVER saw Navy lose to Army in football?

maybe the nancy-boys are at West Point?

I'll let 5StringJeff defend West Point.

Of COURSE you wouldn't be saying that being 'gay' somehow makes somebody a nancy-boy, right?

The two gay men I served with were pretty tough. Except for the whole gay thing.