Do you support torture?

[logroller]

After today, I call for a moratorium on torture on Thursdays.

[ConHog]

And you know he has you on ignore, and you continue to go back and forth with him. You're BOTH willing participants. One may be replying here for something in another thread. I really don't give a fuck. I'm just trying to make it stop.

Actually, I believe he does not have me on ignore, but that's neither here nor there. It's not really ignoring someone when you run around calling them names and such.

But, you are right in one sense. I've let this guy drag me into it in too many threads. And it's quite obvious that you are only going to respond in the thread if I "retaliate" , if I don't say anything in return his little jabs are completely ignored by you, so for the sake of the other members here, I will just take the shots from now on and not respond at all.

From this point forward none of my posts will have anything to do with the idiotic Tyr. You and I , and everyone else reading this board, can plainly see what is happening here anyway.

Here, I 'll go ahead and say the same thing about RSR to, when he calls me vile or pond scum, or whatever else, to save you the trouble of posting I won't respond.

From this point forward CH is fair game and will not fight back so that Jim doesn't have to come in to tell "everyone" to stop.

[jimnyc]

Actually, I believe he does not have me on ignore, but that's neither here nor there. It's not really ignoring someone when you run around calling them names and such.

But, you are right in one sense. I've let this guy drag me into it in too many threads. And it's quite obvious that you are only going to respond in the thread if I "retaliate" , if I don't say anything in return his little jabs are completely ignored by you, so for the sake of the other members here, I will just take the shots from now on and not respond at all.

From this point forward none of my posts will have anything to do with the idiotic Tyr. You and I , and everyone else reading this board, can plainly see what is happening here anyway.

Here, I 'll go ahead and say the same thing about RSR to, when he calls me vile or pond scum, or whatever else, to save you the trouble of posting I won't respond.

From this point forward CH is fair game and will not fight back so that Jim doesn't have to come in to tell "everyone" to stop.

You're such an asshole, trying to be a victim now. It's real simple, I pointed out TWO people and asked that they stop with the back and forth and actually ignore one another. If that's too much to ask, tough shit. From now one, no words for you to twist and make yourself a victim, just thread bans to those involved and no words at all.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

After today, I call for a moratorium on torture on Thursdays.

Thursdays will surely have a different feel for me from now on! I was so damn mad this morning after hearing this travesty of a ruling that I could have bit ten penny nails into..-Tyr

[Neo]

Yes, because it can and does work. Of course not all the time, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try it if lives are at stake.

1st page of posts and what do I come across? Well, if you said the perfect perspective on the issue of torture, you'd be right! Give yourself a warm fuzzy (that's like a pat on the back for those of you from Rio Linde').

If you are one of those that votef "NO", then you're a Liberal and I can't help you, nobody can!

Liberalism: A permanent mental disorder.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I know that obama supports torture. How do I know? I know because that is what he has been doing to this nation since his first day in office.-Tyr

[Neo]

I know that obama supports torture. How do I know? I know because that is what he has been doing to this nation since his first day in office.-Tyr

Boy, you ain't kidding!

[Robert A Whit]

No.

There is still no compelling, believable evidence that it works.

It goes against our nation's values, especially those of whom would be ordered to torture someone (the military, law enforcement, intelligence). Their ethos is totally against it... especially in the military, from our founding father on Earth (George Washington) to our more recent leaders like Gen. Eisenhower & Patton.

Its known to perversely weaken unit discipline and professionalism, as has been seen in isolated cases in the war zones abroad of the WOT.

We could go on for days about this.

NOT JUST NO BUT HELLLLLLLLLLL NO!

I want some law passed that the water board as done by our CIA people is NOT torture.

But if one wants to poke them with hot steel rods, or damage their eyes, NO. Do not break their skin. Torment them, just don't torture them.

[revelarts]

Report finds harsh CIA interrogations ineffective

By Greg Miller, Published: December 13
After a contentious closed-door vote, the Senate intelligence committee approved a long-awaited report Thursday concluding that harsh interrogation measures used by the CIA did not produce significant intelligence breakthroughs, officials said.
The 6,000-page document, which was not released to the public, was adopted by Democrats over the objections of most of the committee’s Republicans. The outcome reflects the level of partisan friction that continues to surround the CIA’s use of waterboarding and other severe interrogation techniques four years after they were banned.
The report is the most detailed independent examination to date of the agency’s efforts to “break” dozens of detainees through physical and psychological duress, a period of CIA history that has become a source of renewed controversy because of torture scenes in a forthcoming Hollywood film, “Zero Dark Thirty.”
Officials familiar with the report said it makes a detailed case that subjecting prisoners to *“enhanced” interrogation techniques did not help the CIA find Osama bin Laden and often were counterproductive in the broader campaign against al-Qaeda.
The committee chairman, Sen. Dianne Feinstein *(D-Calif.), declined to discuss specific findings but released a written statement describing decisions to allow the CIA to build a network of secret prisons and employ harsh interrogation measures as “terrible mistakes.”
“I also believe this report will settle the debate once and for all over whether our nation should ever employ coercive interrogation techniques,” Feinstein said.
That conclusion has been disputed by high-ranking officials from the George W. Bush administration, including former vice president Richard B. Cheney and former CIA director Michael V. Hayden. Both of them argued that the use of waterboarding, sleep deprivation and other measures provided critical clues that helped track down bin Laden, the al-Qaeda leader who was killed in a U.S. raid in Pakistan in May 2011.
Largely because of those political battle lines, Republicans on the Senate intelligence committee refused to participate in the panel’s three-year investigation of the CIA interrogation program, and most opposed Thursday’s decision.
Sen. Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, the committee’s ranking Republican, said in a statement that the report “contains a number of significant errors and omissions about the history and utility of CIA’s detention program.” He also noted that the review was done “without interviewing any of the people involved.”
The 9 to 6 vote indicates that at least one Republican backed the report, although committee officials declined to provide a breakdown.
Other GOP lawmakers voiced support for the report’s conclusions. Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), who was a prisoner of war in Vietnam, issued a statement saying that the committee’s work shows that “cruel” treatment of prisoners “is not only wrong in principle and a stain on our country’s conscience, but also an ineffective and unreliable means of gathering intelligence.”

It could be months, if not years, before the public gets even a partial glimpse of the report or its 20 findings and conclusions. Feinstein said the committee will turn the voluminous document over to the Obama administration and the CIA to provide a chance for them to comment.
When that is completed, the committee will need to vote again on whether to release even a portion of the report, a move likely to face opposition from the CIA, which has fought to keep details of the interrogation program classified.
Even if it were released, the report would probably have little impact beyond providing new ammunition for a largely dormant interrogation debate.

The agency abandoned its harshest interrogation methods years before President Obama was elected, and the Justice Department began backing away from memos it had issued that had served as the legal basis for the program.
Earlier this year, the Justice Department closed investigations of alleged abuses, eliminating the prospect that CIA operatives who had gone beyond the approved methods would face criminal charges.
Civil liberties groups praised the report.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...1d6_print.html

[glockmail]

Except that they worked and saved countless American lives.

[aboutime]

HELL YES! Let's imagine the CIA, or FBI had suspicions, or knowledge about a 24 year old young man in CT. yesterday, who had access to automatic weapons, wore a bullet-proof vest, and acted strangely enough to BE Followed by the CIA, or FBI.

Further. Let's say the FBI, or CIA interrogated him....or, to please you Torture whiners....they managed to Waterboard him, and he told them he planned to kill his mother, and the children in her school.

YOUR DAMN RIGHT I would support torture IF....that could have prevented what took place yesterday. And 27 human beings would still be here...waiting, and planning for CHRISTMAS.

I FULLY SUPPORT IT. And I don't give a damn what anyone else says, or thinks about that!

[mundame]

No torture, ever, for any reason whatsoever.

And I'm not going to see any torture movies, including that new one about catching bin Laden.

[aboutime]

No torture, ever, for any reason whatsoever.

And I'm not going to see any torture movies, including that new one about catching bin Laden.

Good! You are your own Torture movie.

[revelarts]

HELL YES! Let's imagine the CIA, or FBI had suspicions, or knowledge about a 24 year old young man in CT. yesterday, who had access to automatic weapons, wore a bullet-proof vest, and acted strangely enough to BE Followed by the CIA, or FBI.

Further. Let's say the FBI, or CIA interrogated him....or, to please you Torture whiners....they managed to Waterboard him, and he told them he planned to kill his mother, and the children in her school.

YOUR DAMN RIGHT I would support torture IF....that could have prevented what took place yesterday. And 27 human beings would still be here...waiting, and planning for CHRISTMAS.

I FULLY SUPPORT IT. And I don't give a damn what anyone else says, or thinks about that!

You support torture Fully
even though it doesn't gives results that your talking about and you won't listen to any evidence that proves it.

That's your choice.
be nice if more Americans used reason, evidence and a bit of the Christianity they espouse to make decisions about this.

I'm still looking for the Bible verses that say Christians should torture our suspected enemies if we feel like we might be in danger.

[aboutime]

You support torture Fully
even though it doesn't gives results that your talking about and you won't listen to any evidence that proves it.

That's your choice.
be nice if more Americans used reason, evidence and a bit of the Christianity they espouse to make decisions about this.

I'm still looking for the Bible verses that say Christians should torture our suspected enemies if we feel like we might be in danger.

YEP revelarts. You said it. "THAT'S MY CHOICE!" End of discussion.

As for looking for Bible verses. I refer you to one book of the Bible that describes the TORTURE of a man who was placed on a cross until he died.
Did anyone have to look up any verses in the Bible before that TORTURE took place?
And, what was the result of that TORTURE for mankind? More specifically. The Christians.