I take my stand, you?

[Missileman]

Islam teaches that man can create/earn his own salvation by deeds, by blind obedience not by --faith repenting and asking for forgiveness then accepting it as the gift, a blessing given from God thru Jesus his son.
Islam also teaches that murder is right. That enslavement is right.
They are not right, my vote on it. You are welcome to yours. -Tyr

It appears the point escaped you.

I'm also reasonably certain that the veracity of any given religion isn't determined by a vote.

Whether Islam, Christianity, or neither is correct is not dependent on what you believe.

[Missileman]

If they're right, then what we believe in must be wrong.

Ding Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner!

Look, I'm not saying they're right, only that the possibility that they are is just as likely as the possibility that you are.

[fj1200]

Of what good is peace if it is bought at the cost of sacrificing all that we hold dear? There is a great failure in our country today and that is the failure to understand total submission. What total submission is and how it could lead to our demise. The greatest example of total submission today is Islam. Yes, Islam is the essence of total submission and it demands that not only from its followers but also from all that it confronts.

Wow, is this broken record still playing?

[gabosaurus]

Wow, is this broken record still playing?

It keeps skipping.

Everyone who has strong beliefs thinks they are right. The fundamentalists believe they are right because that is all they have ever been taught. They live in a society of controlled thought. There is no other side.
The only truly enlightened people are those who acknowledge the existence of both sides. If you close off your mind and only consider one side, what makes you any better than a terrorist?
If this confuses you, forget it and go back to watching wrestling on TV.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

It appears the point escaped you.

I'm also reasonably certain that the veracity of any given religion isn't determined by a vote.

Whether Islam, Christianity, or neither is correct is not dependent on what you believe.

TRUTH IS TRUTH REGARDLESS IF NONE BELIEVE IT OR ALL BELIEVE IT.
However I get to decide what I believe is true , as do we all. Since it was obvious that I was not casting an actual ballot but rather speaking of my belief about the veracity of Islam and if they right in their world domination campaign why do you feel the need to restate the obvious?
Was my answer about my belief too vague? Or just to pointed?--Tyr

[Dilloduck]

Wow, is this broken record still playing?

On and on and on and on and---

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

On and on and on and on and---

Truth stands eternal. Dont like it , stop reading and replying to this thread or keep on posting juvenile bitching complaints that it is being discussed here and now. Over 124 replies and over a 1000 views in less than 3 days clearly point out that it interests others here. And has led to some interesting debating. Quite a bit of good information has been shared here as well.
Your attempts to censor criticism of Islam by any means you can use is so noted..
The fact that we discuss a very relevant and dire threat to our nation seems to anger or bore you so why participate at all? If you do why not actually attempt to refute the information that points out what they are doing worldwide? Why the snide one liners and juvenile bitching?
Yea, I just pulled my blade on you, on guard pedro... or is your scabbard rusted shut!??
Here, just in case you are unfamiliar with the word ,scabbard.. --Tyr http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scabbard
A scabbard is a sheath for holding a sword, knife, or other large blade. Scabbards have been made of many materials over the millennia, including leather, wood, and metals such as brass or steel.

[fj1200]

Over 124 replies and over a 1000 views in less than 3 days clearly point out that it interests others here.

My math shows that the unposted s and the s amount to 876.

[Missileman]

However I get to decide what I believe is true , as do we all.

As do they. How can you fault them for acting on what they deem true?

[Dilloduck]

Truth stands eternal. Dont like it , stop reading and replying to this thread or keep on posting juvenile bitching complaints that it is being discussed here and now. Over 124 replies and over a 1000 views in less than 3 days clearly point out that it interests others here. And has led to some interesting debating. Quite a bit of good information has been shared here as well.
Your attempts to censor criticism of Islam by any means you can use is so noted..
The fact that we discuss a very relevant and dire threat to our nation seems to anger or bore you so why participate at all? If you do why not actually attempt to refute the information that points out what they are doing worldwide? Why the snide one liners and juvenile bitching?
Yea, I just pulled my blade on you, on guard pedro... or is your scabbard rusted shut!??
Here, just in case you are unfamiliar with the word ,scabbard.. --Tyr http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scabbard
A scabbard is a sheath for holding a sword, knife, or other large blade. Scabbards have been made of many materials over the millennia, including leather, wood, and metals such as brass or steel.

bullshit repeated over and over is still bullshit.
Your point that Islam is evil has been refuted over and over.
Makes for good site traffic tho I guess.

[tailfins]

It keeps skipping.

Everyone who has strong beliefs thinks they are right. The fundamentalists believe they are right because that is all they have ever been taught. They live in a society of controlled thought. There is no other side.
The only truly enlightened people are those who acknowledge the existence of both sides. If you close off your mind and only consider one side, what makes you any better than a terrorist?
If this confuses you, forget it and go back to watching wrestling on TV.

When it comes to getting things done, there is a time to end discussion and act. Otherwise you get paralysis, incompetence and poverty. Either work gets done or time gets wasted reaching "consensus". The job at hand is to neutralize those assisting in plans to harm US citizens and visitors. Endlessly considering differing points view is the path to confusion. It's why small businesses can outperform big business that in turn can outperform government. Nothing motivates like the threat of going broke.

[fj1200]

Makes for good site traffic tho I guess.

Well that's certainly true. I think the "Muzzy" thread percentage has risen dramatically since... well, you know.

[Dilloduck]

When it comes to getting things done, there is a time to end discussion and act. Otherwise you get paralysis, incompetence and poverty. Either work gets done or time gets wasted reaching "consensus". The job at hand is to neutralize those assisting in plans to harm US citizens and visitors. Endlessly considering differing points view is the path to confusion. It's why small businesses can outperform big business that in turn can outperform government. Nothing motivates like the threat of going broke.

Bingo---money runs the world.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

As do they. How can you fault them for acting on what they deem true?

I can and do because their agenda, their actions include murder and terrorism (Jihad)as the primary tool for advancement and enforcement of the religion. Ignoring the evil inherent in their actions may be convenient but is hardly rational , just, or wise!
Certainly not wise as it is in direct opposition to our Western values, Constitutional rights , the Rule of Law,and basic morality.

Take their honor killings for example and you will see perfectly well just what is wrong when ignorance and Islam are mixed together. And note the reasons given for such killing.

It's all just extremely sick and while you may come upon someone committing such here, and claiming to be Christian, this is so common among Muslims, that it has become a damn a broken record.

The US is letting down the system by not heavily screening people seeking entry into this country. This pertains to anyone, particularly Muslims, coming from Muslim dominated countries. Although the majority of Muslims have enough common sense not to indulge in such things. There are more than enough, who actually take such things on a Fundamentalist basis.

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[Dilloduck]

I can and do because their agenda, their actions include murder and terrorism (Jihad)as the primary tool for advancement and enforcement of the religion. Ignoring the evil inherent in their actions may be convenient but is hardly rational , just, or wise!
Certainly not wise as it is in direct opposition to our Western values, Constitutional rights , the Rule of Law,and basic morality.-Tyr

Islam is not a single unit or belief system. It is practiced differently by different tribes, sects and countries. Treating it as one evil system is proof that you err in judgement.