Copacetic
you're introducing seperate and conflicting arguments. American citizens =\= the states. The people, of course, have a right to resist government intrusion and can form militias in mutual defense; but the constitution precludes states forming militias free of federal authority. You can call for it, but you'd be promoting an activity in conflict with constitution.Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
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Your head exploded
that's fine as long as it's something HE wants.
Sup Log
Young punk
Obama is ignoring the constitution. We should follow his example and do the same... And by doing so, bring back the constitution.
Your head exploded
What the hell kind of logic is that?
But okay, get a state to draw up this militia and then if it survives constitutional challenge go for it.
See that's the part you guys always forget you scream "unconstitutional" regardless of what the SCOTUS has said completely ignoring the fact that the Court has taken the right to decide such matters.
Well , unless SCOTUS rules in your favor , then all of the sudden you remember that that is how things work.
Super Minion
Nor did he attempt to do so. So he 'freed' those he had no control over. Still not an EO.No small stretch there.
One could argue...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_Proclamation
Based on the above it's unlikely he had the authority to free the slaves in states that were not in rebellion.
"The government is a child that has found their parents credit card, and spends knowing that they never have to reconcile the bill with their own money"-Shannon Churchill
Your head exploded
so what kind of order was it?
Young punk
This is gonna be a little off topic, but why do we have to have State militias?
why not... for the people militia's...
From where i'm sitting, i could probably make an army. Get in touch with Anynomous... talk to my Reenactment friends (Basically confederates), they'd be willing to do anything, and have the firepower to back it up.
I go through the right channels and could have a good sized force. Small, but what kind of American soldier would fire at a civilian made giant army? They'd basically be firing at the very people they're to protect. And say they come in peacefully enough demanding change...
So... Does it HAVE to be controlled by the state?
Life, Love, Truth, 3 gems
http://theintelhub.com/2012/04/17/ex...eing-shackled/
The efforts of Olson, Paul and Metcalf over 12 years ago pretty much fell on deaf ears, since the goals have not come to fruition amongst the congressional body.
With this in mind, we must not only look at what foundation has been laid, but what is also progressing. For if we do not, our future has the propensity to turn out bleak, to say the least.
Here are some executive orders one should be troubled by:
Executive Order #10995: ”SEC. 6. In carrying out functions under this order, the Director of Telecommunications Management shall consider the following objectives:Essentially, this order authorizes the seizure of all telecommunications equipment in the United States.
(a) Full and efficient employment of telecommunications resources in carrying out national policies;
(b) Development of telecommunications plans, policies, and programs under which full advantage of technological development will accrue to the Nation and the users of telecommunications; and which will satisfactorily serve the national security; sustain and contribute to the full development of world trade and commerce; strengthen the position and serve the best interests of the United States in negotiations with foreign nations; and permit maximum use of resources through better frequency management;
(c) Utilization of the radio spectrum by the Federal Government in a manner which permits and encourages the most beneficial use thereof in the public interest;
(d) Implementation of the national policy of development and effective use of space satellites for international telecommunications services.”
Executive Order #10997: “The Secretary of the Interior (hereinafter referred to as the Secretary) shall prepare national emergency plans and develop preparedness programs covering (1) electric power; (2) petroleum and gas; (3) solid fuels; and (4) minerals.”Essentially, this order allows for the government to seize all energy resources including fuels and sources of fuel, minerals and even power companies.
Executive Order #10998: ”The Secretary of Agriculture (hereinafter referred to as the Secretary) shall prepare national emergency plans and develop preparedness programs covering: Food resources, farm equipment, fertilizer, and food resource facilities, as defined below; rural fire control; defense against biological warfare, chemical warfare, and radiological fallout pertaining to agricultural activities; and rural defense information and education. These plans and programs shall be designed to develop a state of readiness in these areas with respect to all conditions of national emergency, including attack upon the United States…”Essentially, this order gives the government the ability to seize all food supplies along with food resources including active farms and farm land.
Executive Order #10999: ”Development and coordination of over-all policies, plans, and procedures for the provision of a centralized control of all modes of transportation in an emergency for the movement of passenger and freight traffic of all types, and the determination of the proper apportionment and allocation of the total civil transportation capacity, or any portion thereof, to meet over-all essential civil and military needs.”Essentially, this order gives the government authorization to seize every means of transportation including the privately owned vehicles of citizens along with complete control of highways, roads, seaports and so on.
Executive Order #11000: ”The Secretary of Labor (hereinafter referred to as the Secretary) shall prepare national emergency plans and develop preparedness programs covering civilian manpower mobilization, more effective utilization of limited manpower resources including specialized personnel, wage and salary stabilization, worker incentives and protection, manpower resources and requirements, skill development and training, research, labor-management relations, and critical occupations. These plans and programs shall be designed to develop a state of readiness in these areas with respect to all conditions of national emergency, including attack upon the United States…”This order basically allows the government to conscript Americans to carry out work in a supposed time of national emergency under the command of federal authorities. It even gives them the power to move individuals and “stabilize” salaries by setting them themselves.
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Interesting link, very informative and clearly shows the dangers of Executive Orders. Especially those already put into play during obama's first term.
Previous to the listing of those Executive Orders was a very good explanation of how limited E.O'S WERE FIRST INTENDED TO BE AND HOW OBAMA HAS EXPANDED THEM AND THUS GRABBED SO MUCH POWER!-Tyr
18 U.S. Code § 2381-Treason Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
Your head exploded
your efforts would be better served in trying to get the national guard back under state jurisdiction where they IMHO belong.
Of course that will be tough when we're in the middle of a war, but your odds are better than forming some other militia,which is both unneeded and unconstitutional.
Life, Love, Truth, 3 gems
No easy way to pull the national guard from its entanglement with the Feds.
Better to start smaller with a totally new organisation and I disagree its not Unconstitutional for states to have militia's.. -Tyr
Why are these people not in jail then?? Could list more but you get the point..
http://kansasstatemilitia.webs.com/
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http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...cond-amendment
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...cond-amendment
In Federalist, No. 46, James Madison wrote that should the unthinkable (to him) happen and the federal government overrun the high fences placed by the states around its constitutional powers, every foxhole in the field of the battle over the exercise of sovereignty would be filled with members of the state militias.
George Washington, perhaps better than anyone, understood that a well-trained but otherwise ad hoc army composed of state militias could be powerful enough to defeat the invading forces of a mighty empire. The general recognized the urgent need for a disciplined, organized, and independent state militia. As the continental commander-in-chief, Washington knew very well that training an army of citizen soldiers — many of whom used their muskets for little more than hunting — was crucial to restoring the freedom of America. In fact, it was the need for a more well-regulated force that compelled Washington to hire Friedrich von Steuben to drill the soldiers of the Continental Army.
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18 U.S. Code § 2381-Treason Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
Banned
Emancipation proclamation not valid?
While we beat the proclomation around, who agrees that it was not constitutional?
See, the constitution clearly made slavery legal.
Your head exploded
Not that hard, and besides I think if things happened the way you for some reason believe they will that you would find that state national guards would ignore federal orders anyway. No way the Texas National Guard is firing on Texans. Just for example.
Life, Love, Truth, 3 gems
I've already touted that line and was rebuked as being crazy for doing so..
I know elsewhere but if memory serves I was here as well. -Tyr
18 U.S. Code § 2381-Treason Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
Your head exploded
They won't do so. They would reject the order as illegal and refuse.
The National Guard IS exempt from Posse Commitataus , but that changes the moment they become federalized. So once again, IF Obama took control of the Texas National Guard and ordered them into a police action in the US that order would be ILLEGAL.
On the other hand Texas can activate their own national guard and use them in a police action. Just an odd quirk of that law.
Copacetic
By ignoring the constitution, we'll bring it back...
He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.AeschylusRead more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/qu...zeMUwcpY1Io.99
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