Kerry: 'Do what we must' to stop Iran on nukes

[fj1200]

Clicking on an emoticon is sure easier than doing the research to post figures to prove your point, isn't it?

Boy, I definitely sympathize with that.

I need to get me some good smilies so I never have to research any numbers.

I already did the research, I already posted it for you in another thread, and you are already ignoring it when it's inconvenient.

[mundame]

I already did the research, I already posted it for you in another thread, and you are already ignoring it when it's inconvenient.

You know, I missed that. I definitely don't read every thread. I stay out of the ones the mean cretins start, for instance.

Are you going to tell me which thread, and which post? Somehow I doubt that information will be forthcoming....getting information out of you is like pulling out a tapeworm the wrong way. Not that I would know. Just a simile.

[fj1200]

You know, I missed that. I definitely don't read every thread. I stay out of the ones the mean cretins start, for instance.

Are you going to tell me which thread, and which post? Somehow I doubt that information will be forthcoming....getting information out of you is like pulling out a tapeworm the wrong way. Not that I would know. Just a simile.

Yes, yes, my apologies. It is clearly my fault that you didn't follow up in a thread when I responded directly to you.

Right here btw. Plenty of information is forthcoming from me... well it is when you bother to read it.

[mundame]

Yes, yes, my apologies. It is clearly my fault that you didn't follow up in a thread when I responded directly to you.

Right here btw. Plenty of information is forthcoming from me... well it is when you bother to read it.

I did miss it. Excellent info, thank you very much!!

Okay, I'm just going to recapitulate by copying over your post.

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Originally Posted by mundame
At this point one of us should probably back up our claims with figures and citations.....

What are you thinking is the biggest contributor to our budget deficit problem?





Total spent to date in Iraq and Afghanistan. $1.4TT

Recent budget deficits:

Obama Deficits	Bush Deficits
FY 2013*: $901 billion	FY 2009†: $1,413 billion
FY 2012: $1,089 billion	FY 2008: $459 billion
FY 2011: $1,300 billion	FY 2007: $161 billion
FY 2010: $1,293 billion

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/...cit_chart.html

My statement was a bit off but the point remains. We spent in one stimulus bill in what we had spent in the wars to that point.
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Okay, if I understand this correctly, the worst Bush deficit was 1.413 trillion, and that was the stimulus money the Treasury Secretary went down on his knees for, literally, to Nancy Pelosi, don't get me started.....

And the war expenses to date are 1.416 trillion. Which is worse than the worst year deficit, barely. Aaarrrrrrrgh.

Then Obama continues large deficits of 1 trillion and more nearly every year. So that is definitely not helping! But the wars wars wars are bankrupting the country just as they have every country that plays adventure wars, forever and ever amen. I did read the famous Reinhart and Rogoff book, "This Time Is Different," in which they say it's never different, across the centuries: deficit spending for wars and whatever always, always end in catastrophe. And here we go again.

[fj1200]

I did miss it. Excellent info, thank you very much!!

Okay, I'm just going to recapitulate by copying over your post.

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Okay, if I understand this correctly, the worst Bush deficit was 1.413 trillion, and that was the stimulus money the Treasury Secretary went down on his knees for, literally, to Nancy Pelosi, don't get me started.....

And the war expenses to date are 1.416 trillion. Which is worse than the worst year deficit, barely. Aaarrrrrrrgh.

Then Obama continues large deficits of 1 trillion and more nearly every year. So that is definitely not helping! But the wars wars wars are bankrupting the country just as they have every country that plays adventure wars, forever and ever amen. I did read the famous Reinhart and Rogoff book, "This Time Is Different," in which they say it's never different, across the centuries: deficit spending for wars and whatever always, always end in catastrophe. And here we go again.

Actually the '09 "Bush" deficit was bumped up considerably by the stimuli and other bills passed under BO so that's not entirely accurate. And no, the wars are not bankrupting the country, they are manageable fiscally, the Bush deficits were far below what we have now, the fact that our revenues are FAR underperforming and our spending is FAR above what we should be spending is what is leading to our "bankruptcy." There is no change in either the revenue or spending scenario for the foreseeable future and the entitlement can has again been kicked down the road.

[mundame]

Actually the '09 "Bush" deficit was bumped up considerably by the stimuli and other bills passed under BO so that's not entirely accurate. And no, the wars are not bankrupting the country, they are manageable fiscally, the Bush deficits were far below what we have now, the fact that our revenues are FAR underperforming and our spending is FAR above what we should be spending is what is leading to our "bankruptcy." There is no change in either the revenue or spending scenario for the foreseeable future and the entitlement can has again been kicked down the road.

Yes, well, I don't disagree. Of course the entitlements are ALSO bankrupting the nation. But so are the wars, wars, wars, which ol' whats-his-face could have stopped at once: he was elected to do that, after all. But noooooooooooo, on and on and on they go. And more and more added in Libya, and Mali, and god knows where.

This is not making me happy.