Could Schizophrenia be demon possession?

[tailfins]

People hearing voices and seeing things could have a dark spiritual root, couldn't it? When's the last time you heard of someone hearing voices telling them to go volunteer at the Salvation Army?

[fj1200]

That would explain Jesus' ability to cure those with seeming mental illnesses in the bible. It was discussed at some point in my Sunday School class.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

People hearing voices and seeing things could have a dark spiritual root, couldn't it? When's the last time you heard of someone hearing voices telling them to go volunteer at the Salvation Army?

I had an ex-sister in law that I am absolutely sure was demon possessed! In fact , so sure that I believe I'd stake my life on it if forced to choose between yes or no. Story far too long to tell but in my entire life only this one person do I say this about. -Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

That would explain Jesus' ability to cure those with seeming mental illnesses in the bible. It was discussed at some point in my Sunday School class.

Bible clearly states that Jesus cast out demons.

Mark 3:11

And whenever the unclean spirits saw him, they fell down before him and cried out, “You are the Son of God.”

Acts 16:16-18

As we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl who had a spirit of divination and brought her owners much gain by fortune-telling. She followed Paul and us, crying out, “These men are servants of the Most High God, who proclaim to you the way of salvation.” And this she kept doing for many days. Paul, having become greatly annoyed, turned and said to the spirit, “I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her.” And it came out that very hour.

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Luke 4:33-36

And in the synagogue there was a man who had the spirit of an unclean demon, and he cried out with a loud voice, “Ha! What have you to do with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are—the Holy One of God.” But Jesus rebuked him, saying, “Be silent and come out of him!” And when the demon had thrown him down in their midst, he came out of him, having done him no harm. And they were all amazed and said to one another, “What is this word? For with authority and power he commands the unclean spirits, and they come out!”

[revelarts]

Seems it can be either or both.

In some cases it's a powerful mental/emotional defense system.

either way it's a terrible problem.

[fj1200]

Bible clearly states that Jesus cast out demons.

Did I state otherwise? --> "seeming mental illnesses"

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Did I state otherwise? --> "seeming mental illnesses"

Did I cast aspersions that you did state otherwise??

My acknowledgement was in agreement and I linked some examples too. -Tyr

[fj1200]

Did I cast aspersions that you did state otherwise??

My acknowledgement was in agreement and I linked some examples too. -Tyr

OK. Your post seemed superfluous.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

OK. Your post seemed superfluous.

Really? Do you often suggest those agreeing with you and adding more information to support your position as "being unnecessary" or excessive?
If so care to explain why ?
As it goes against common sense and in some cases civility to do that IMHO?
EVEN MORE SO BEING THAT I ADDED LINKED SOURCES IN MY PRESENTATION WHILE YOU SPOKE ONLY OF PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.
The suggestion that my contribution was not needed or excessive seems a bit out there to me. --Tyr

[fj1200]

Really? Do you often suggest those agreeing with you and adding more information to support your position as "being unnecessary" or excessive?
If so care to explain why ?
As it goes against common sense and in some cases civility to do that IMHO?
EVEN MORE SO BEING THAT I ADDED LINKED SOURCES IN MY PRESENTATION WHILE YOU SPOKE ONLY OF PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.
The suggestion that my contribution was not needed or excessive seems a bit out there to me. --Tyr

At no point did your post suggest agreement with mine. If you had not quoted my post then I would have had no reason to think that you might have had some disagreement and adding information that I did not dispute, nor feel it necessary to add, was indeed superfluous.

But whatever, glad we're in agreement.

[darin]

The Bible isn't clear about most things; what we have in large part is at-the-time understanding of what they observed. Don't get caught up, perhaps, on the words chosen by those translating - or even the author; instead focus on what the author was trying to say.</SPAN>

Regarding Schizophrenia and Demon possession. Schizophrenic people do not always 'hear voices' per se; nor see visions like most folk understand visions. Often they suffer - or actually enjoy - alternate realities where they have importance. I know- very closely - one who decided he remembers being the REAL owner of LA Fitness gym; who has 'spirit children' who are building a house for him (A nearby hotel construction prompted this fantasy). Early on he displayed a little violence; threatening to shoot somebody because the person he wanted to shoot raped a girl, when the person was 5 or 6 years old. He claimed people - his parents - had been trying to kill him since birth; because he could speak as a newborn. He claimed body-doubles came and lived with him in place of his brothers through the years - and the photos of he and his kids growing up PROVED it because the kids looked a little different every year. </SPAN></SPAN>

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

At no point did your post suggest agreement with mine. If you had not quoted my post then I would have had no reason to think that you might have had some disagreement and adding information that I did not dispute, nor feel it necessary to add, was indeed superfluous.

But whatever, glad we're in agreement.

Well golly, being in agreement with you is an ordeal one must be careful about entertaining.
Glad we sorted little foray that out.. At no point eh? Well please point out where it disagreed then because it surely was not neutral! Linked source totally agreed with your statement IMHO.

By the way, have you considered that when people reply to you they are allowed to express their own view in a manner they see fit and are allowed to present that view to other readers here as well ? Allowed to combine that within one post instead of two..
Maybe that will help in your understanding of other's posts here, that they speak to others as well as the quoted person. I hope that helps and was not too superfluous.. --Tyr

[tailfins]

I was impressed how John Nash adapted to his schizophrenia in the movie "A Beautiful Mind".

[fj1200]

Well golly...

... I hope that helps and was not too superfluous.. --Tyr

Adding information that is not in dispute is by definition superfluous.

[avatar4321]

I've considered this before. I would consider this a likely. But I don't know for sure.

Side question: Does anyone think we have more mentally ill people now than we have in the past? It sure seems that way. I don't have any data for that though.