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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    Well done!

    Didn't the old bridge sway/almost buckle in the wind or was that an even earlier bridge

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    Heck - $250 + travel = MORE than enough. ESPECIALLY if the subject is 'poverty'
    Have you ever considered that he got the $55K because the intended audience thought it was worth it? If they hadn't, he wouldn't have been invited to speak there.

    Where's your reverence for the free market now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbit View Post
    If he's gonna preach about how horrible poverty is in this country and how it's all his fault, I think he should go ahead and charge the $55K, but then give it all away. After all, he can afford it, and how am I supposed to think he's genuine when he charges more than I make in a year to tell me how I need to vote to have more of my hard-earned money taken by force of law and given to a bunch of ingrates who think they're entitled to it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdzeye View Post
    Have you ever considered that he got the $55K because the intended audience thought it was worth it? If they hadn't, he wouldn't have been invited to speak there.

    Where's your reverence for the free market now?
    Again with people having trouble following the point.

    (shrug).
    “… the greatest detractor from high performance is fear: fear that you are not prepared, fear that you are in over your head, fear that you are not worthy, and ultimately, fear of failure. If you can eliminate that fear—not through arrogance or just wishing difficulties away, but through hard work and preparation—you will put yourself in an incredibly powerful position to take on the challenges you face" - Pete Carroll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loosecannon View Post
    Well done!

    Didn't the old bridge sway/almost buckle in the wind or was that an even earlier bridge
    The First bridge blew-apart. That disaster is what forced bridge designers to take aerodynamics into consideration when building large spans.
    “… the greatest detractor from high performance is fear: fear that you are not prepared, fear that you are in over your head, fear that you are not worthy, and ultimately, fear of failure. If you can eliminate that fear—not through arrogance or just wishing difficulties away, but through hard work and preparation—you will put yourself in an incredibly powerful position to take on the challenges you face" - Pete Carroll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    MY Fallacy? I pointed out the IRONY of the "Charging $55000 to talk about POVERTY" and you started bringing up Guilianni. Rudy has NOTHING to do with this story - you're simply trying to divert the conversation. Get it?
    Because it's absolutely BESIDE the point. The point is -

    It's IRONIC somebody would charge FIFTY-FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS to speak to a Public School about "POVERTY". See? See the irony there? That irony is the point. Not Rudi's fees...or Michael Moore's Fees....or the Fee to cross the new Tacoma Narrows Bridge.

    Talk about irony and changing the topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    Again with people having trouble following the point.

    (shrug).
    And a perfectly valid and relevant point it was too. But I understand; it's inconvenient to the effort to demonize Edwards for accepting a speaker's fee even though there are plenty of others who receive even more (another perfectly relevant and inconvenient truth), so the only thing left is to try to dismiss all those inconvenient truths as somehow irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lily View Post
    Talk about irony and changing the topic.
    No shit, Sherlock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lily View Post
    Talk about irony and changing the topic.
    Talk about somebody who has no eff'ing clue what the TOPIC IS...
    “… the greatest detractor from high performance is fear: fear that you are not prepared, fear that you are in over your head, fear that you are not worthy, and ultimately, fear of failure. If you can eliminate that fear—not through arrogance or just wishing difficulties away, but through hard work and preparation—you will put yourself in an incredibly powerful position to take on the challenges you face" - Pete Carroll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdzeye View Post
    And a perfectly valid and relevant point it was too. But I understand; it's inconvenient to the effort to demonize Edwards for accepting a speaker's fee even though there are plenty of others who receive even more (another perfectly relevant and inconvenient truth), so the only thing left is to try to dismiss all those inconvenient truths as somehow irrelevant.
    Look - Imagine me speaking. Right now. Instead of reading, imagine this is my voice. I also included a couple links which may help you.

    "I am speaking VERY SLOWLY now, to help you understand. It is IRONIC that a guy would charge FIFTY-FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS to speak to a publicly-funded School group about POVERTY."

    You and others are bringing up OTHER PEOPLE and THEIR FEES...and YOU have the gall to bring up CAPITALISM and say it's ON POINT? Double-You-tee-EFF?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    Look - Imagine me speaking. Right now. Instead of reading, imagine this is my voice. I also included a couple links which may help you.

    "I am speaking VERY SLOWLY now, to help you understand. It is IRONIC that a guy would charge FIFTY-FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS to speak to a publicly-funded School group about POVERTY."

    You and others are bringing up OTHER PEOPLE and THEIR FEES...and YOU have the gall to bring up CAPITALISM and say it's ON POINT? Double-You-tee-EFF?"
    Sorry, but shouting and capitalizing words doesn't make your point valid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdzeye View Post
    Sorry, but shouting and capitalizing words doesn't make your point valid.
    I used Capitalization for EMPHASIS. You honestly are REFUSING to address the POINT of the thread, which is: "The IRONY of some guy charging $55,000 to make a speech about Poverty
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    I used Capitalization for EMPHASIS. You honestly are REFUSING to address the POINT of the thread, which is: "The IRONY of some guy charging $55,000 to make a speech about Poverty
    And large fonts don't add validity either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    I used Capitalization for EMPHASIS. You honestly are REFUSING to address the POINT of the thread, which is: "The IRONY of some guy charging $55,000 to make a speech about Poverty

    Is it as ironic if somebody offers to pay a person $55,000 to give a talk about poverty?

    The point is that the money wasn't paid for the speech or the topic.

    If I had given the same speech I woulda been paid $500.

    The money was paid to a presidential candidates appearance. A celebrity thingy.

    Now what is ironic is getting paid $15 million a year to chase a ball around a field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdzeye View Post
    And large fonts don't add validity either.
    The fact I am right is all the validity required.
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