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    Quote Originally Posted by Pale Rider View Post
    . I'll tell ya, we need another civil war in this country. Things are REALLY getting fucked up, and depending on our elected officials to straighten it out is proving to be a big damn FARCE!
    and that will destroy our country way faster then any illegals. Not to mention it couldn't really be done. What troops are you gona get to join ya.

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    No hurry---the status quo is working well for them--better yet the fear of anything happening is bound to get more illegals swarming this way.

    Learn Spanish--we're screwed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalNation View Post
    and that will destroy our country way faster then any illegals. Not to mention it couldn't really be done. What troops are you gona get to join ya.
    So you do admit the illegals are screwing up America? Don't worry, you'll live long enough to witness it.

    And the "citizens" would make up the army in a civil war. Citizens like me that are ex-military. We know how to fight a war. But if states seceded, states would have their own guard units at their disposal also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilloduck View Post
    Learn Spanish--we're screwed.
    Funny you should mention that. I just bought a spanish course, and plan on taking spanish over at the college.

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    Illegals aren't doing any worse then any other wave of immigiriants this country has faced. They said the same about the Irish, then it was east russians, asians, things worked out and they added to our country in the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalNation View Post
    and that will destroy our country way faster then any illegals. Not to mention it couldn't really be done. What troops are you gona get to join ya.
    It didn't destroy our country the first time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pale Rider View Post
    Toward A North American Union




    Published 01/23/07 by Patrick Wood - Print Article Article Rating: 5.0 / 5.0
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    Excerpts from the August Review by Pat Wood

    The global elite, through the direct operations of President George Bush and his Administration, are creating a North American Union that will combine Canada, Mexico and the U.S. into a superstate called the North American Union. There is no legislation or Congressional oversight, much less public support, for this massive restructuring of the U.S.

    What is Globalization? It is the collective effect of purposeful and amoral manipulation that seeks to centralize economic, political, technological and societal forces in order to accrue maximum profit and political power to global banks, global corporations and the elitists who run them.

    "Free Trade" is the central mantra. Globalization is set against national sovereignty, closed borders, trade tarrifs and anything that would restrict its goals and methods used to achieve them.

    Globalization promotes regional and global government, a one-world economic system of trade where global corporations and their elite control the policies and directives of individual governments.

    North American Union to Replace USA?

    Excerpts from an article by Jerome R. Corsi
    Posted May 19, 2006

    President Bush is pursuing a globalist agenda to create a North American Union, effectively erasing our borders with both Mexico and Canada. This was the hidden agenda behind the Bush administration's true open borders policy.

    Secretly, the Bush administration is pursuing a policy to expand NAFTA politically, setting the stage for a North American Union designed to encompass the U.S., Canada, and Mexico. What the Bush administration truly wants is the free, unimpeded movement of people across open borders with Mexico and Canada.

    President Bush intends to abrogate U.S. sovereignty to the North American Union, a new economic and political entity which the President is quietly forming, much as the European Union has formed.

    The blueprint President Bush is following was laid out in a 2005 report entitled "Building a North American Community" published by the left-of-center Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). The CFR report connects the dots between the Bush administration's actual policy on illegal immigration and the drive to create the North American Union:
    At their meeting in Waco, Texas, at the end of March 2005, U.S. President George W. Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox, and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin committed their governments to a path of cooperation and joint action.

    What is the plan? Simple, erase the borders. The plan is contained in a "Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America" little noticed when President Bush and President Fox created it in March 2005:

    In March 2005, the leaders of Canada, Mexico, and the United States adopted a Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP), establishing ministerial-level working groups to address key security and economic issues facing North America and setting a short deadline for reporting progress back to their governments. President Bush described the significance of the SPP as putting forward a common commitment "to markets and democracy, freedom and trade, and mutual prosperity and security." The policy framework articulated by the three leaders is a significant commitment that will benefit from broad discussion and advice. The Task Force is pleased to provide specific advice on how the partnership can be pursued and realized.

    To that end, the Task Force proposes the creation by 2010 of a North American community to enhance security, prosperity, and opportunity. We propose a community based on the principle affirmed in the March 2005 Joint Statement of the three leaders that "our security and prosperity are mutually dependent and complementary." Its boundaries will be defined by a common external tariff and an outer security perimeter within which the movement of people, products, and capital will be legal, orderly and safe. Its goal will be to guarantee a free, secure, just, and prosperous North America.
    The perspective of the CFR report allows us to see President Bush's speech to the nation as nothing more than public relations posturing and window dressing. No wonder President Vincente Fox called President Bush in a panic after the speech. How could the President go back on his word to Mexico by actually securing our border? Not to worry, President Bush reassured President Fox. The National Guard on the border were only temporary, meant to last only as long until the public forgets about the issue, as has always been the case in the past.

    The North American Union plan, which Vincente Fox has every reason to presume President Bush is still following, calls for the only border to be around the North American Union -- not between any of these countries. Or, as the CFR report stated:

    The three governments should commit themselves to the long-term goal of dramatically diminishing the need for the current intensity of the governments’ physical control of cross-border traffic, travel, and trade within North America. A long-term goal for a North American border action plan should be joint screening of travelers from third countries at their first point of entry into North America and the elimination of most controls over the temporary movement of these travelers within North America.

    Discovering connections like this between the CFR recommendations and Bush administration policy gives credence to the argument that President Bush favors amnesty and open borders, as he originally said. Moreover, President Bush most likely continues to consider groups such as the Minuteman Project to be "vigilantes," as he has also said in response to a reporter's question during the March 2005 meeting with President Fox.

    PLEASE ASK YOUR CONGRESSIONAL LEADERS WHAT THEY ARE DOING ABOUT THIS? YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW!

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    http://www.economyincrisis.org/articles/show/1065
    Bush is indeed in favor of this, but he didn't start it, it has been kicked around for the past thirty years or so Don't know exactly how long, but a long time. I heard about it soon after I moved out west, and I have been here since the 70s..
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    Quote Originally Posted by loosecannon View Post
    Hillary is way behind it, but I wouldn't expect that everybody from either party is gonna jump on this BS.

    Really tho this IS ironic. political representatives acting to disband the nation they serve.

    Can it get any weirder?
    That's not what it is about, at least not originally. It was to bring Canada and Mexico under our wing (in short, as someone earlier stated, to ANNEX them.) the later plans were to bring the whole western hemispher under our control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalNation View Post
    and that will destroy our country way faster then any illegals. Not to mention it couldn't really be done. What troops are you gona get to join ya.
    I happen to beleive the troops would be on our side rather than with the present administration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doniston View Post
    That's not what it is about, at least not originally. It was to bring Canada and Mexico under our wing (in short, as someone earlier stated, to ANNEX them.) the later plans were to bring the whole western hemispher under our control.
    "OUR" control----you crack me up !!!

    A nutcase will do nutty things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilloduck View Post
    "OUR" control----you crack me up !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nevadamedic View Post
    It didn't destroy our country the first time.
    It came close and did destroy the south.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalNation View Post
    Illegals aren't doing any worse then any other wave of immigiriants this country has faced. They said the same about the Irish, then it was east russians, asians, things worked out and they added to our country in the end.
    There is really no comparison that can be made whatsoever. All other waves of immigrants came through Ellis Island and obeyed all law. The immigrants of early wanted nothing more than to assimiliate and become Americans. This tidal wave of illegals from mexico as the most massive invasion from one country into another in the history of the world. They have also all broken the law and are criminals. Few have no desire to assimiliate and become American either. They want to work here and send the money back to mexico, and remain mexican citizens.

    For the most part, these illegals don't even deserve your support. Truely, your support of them is misguided under the cloud of your liberal beliefs.

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    Give them an easy way to become citizens without deporting them and I betcha you'll see a lot who want to become US citizens. They can't so they stay in the shadow but that doesn't keep their kids from being born here and being citizens.

    There needs to be some order and boarder security but it's gona be hard with long boarders and millions will to risk even their lives to get in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalNation View Post
    Give them an easy way to become citizens without deporting them and I betcha you'll see a lot who want to become US citizens. They can't so they stay in the shadow but that doesn't keep their kids from being born here and being citizens.

    There needs to be some order and boarder security but it's gona be hard with long boarders and millions will to risk even their lives to get in.
    They dont want to become citizens, if they did they would atleast try when they get here.

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