Islamic terror? I just don't see it...

[jimnyc]

This is not in America, but the most popular video. We all have seen it before. I'm just hoping they are all dead by now, especially the homely bitch who is ranting starting at the .5 second mark.

[fj1200]

No doubt, many condemned the attacks, and many world wide chimed in as well. But many still cheered, both here and abroad. Blaming all of being bad doesn't work, nor does ignoring the minority who did do things like this.

Do you think she was trying to imply the majority or a minority? Surely she implied a majority. You can find a minority celebrating anything.

[jimnyc]

Do you think she was trying to imply the majority or a minority? Surely she implied a majority. You can find a minority celebrating anything.

I assumed "some" when she stated "muslims were celebrating". I honestly couldn't tell if she meant "all" or a minority. She can clarify...

And I agree about the minority, but this wasn't just a small handful like the westboro baptist idiots. This was a large celebration, both in and outside America, by more than one small group. Let's face it, many were happy to see us get hit with shit they have seen all of their lives. Some still see Osama as a hero, and the hijackers as heroes and martyrs. Not even close to all of them, but also not close to a tiny group.

WBC is a minority in an extremely small group, likely less than 50. Muslims celebrating 9/11 and still hating America might be a minority, but it's a MUCH larger minority. Just like radicals in Islam. Sure, they may be the minority, but the numbers are in the millions and millions.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

BO sucks! But he hasn't authorized a bombing run on Fox News as of yet.

Only due to a major backlog on the production of those specialized drones! -Tyr

[fj1200]

Only due to a major backlog on the production of those specialized drones! -Tyr

I thought you were among the first to acknowledge the existence of little black helicopters.

My mistake.

[revelarts]

the thing that i remember about Obama that bugs concerning the -no mention of Islam-- thing are his old campaign speech comments about the American poor and working class who he said turned to "cling to guns and religion" after disappointment with life and BS gov't. promises and actions.

"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them," ... "And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

If he can make this pseudo-scientific rationalization of why some Americans didn't support him then he should have no problem making some connections between Isis's clinging to THEIR guns and RELIGION and acting on real or imagined frustrations.

But I agree with Obama and Bush that we should not demonize all of Islam as murders and terrorist. But it's disingenuous NOT to mention that religion is a factor for those Muslims that are.

Didn't they mention religion at Waco TX? And at Jonestown?
the leaders claimed Christian faith but we all knew it was really a twisted cult.
Don't we mention religion in India when Hindus attack a mosque, no on just calls it random violence.
Or when the threat of nukes comes up between India and Pakistan?
With Isis at least call them a Muslim cult. in fact that'd be better!
isolate them and if people claim Isis then call them cult members as well.
the Muslim Cult Isis.

And name the victims a Christians, Jews, Hindus and Muslims.
this make a very a useful distinction i think.

[revelarts]

no terrorist dancing here?

[revelarts]

Young Muslim man defends Jews on train from thugs beating on them and calling a Jewish man a "Christ Killer".




the point, not all Muslims are the enemy.
broad brush sterotypes are counter productive.

[Anton Chigurh]

the point, not all Muslims are the enemy.
broad brush sterotypes are counter productive.

So are straw men.

Nobody's ever said ALL muslims are bad, or are the enemy.

[revelarts]

So are straw men.

Nobody's ever said ALL muslims are bad, or are the enemy.

no?
"1. It is Islam stupid!."

[Anton Chigurh]

no?
"1. It is Islam stupid!."

I can make up quotes with the best of 'em.

Of course some of John Q. Public might say that, but no public officials I've ever seen have. Of course, there's a large part of John Q. Public who rails against Christianity, Judaism, and other faiths, claiming those are just as bad if not worse.

Point is, Obama and this Menstruation are trying really hard to make it sound like it is the general consensus that Islam is to blame, when clearly it's far from true. It is a straw argument done to mollify political correctness.

[revelarts]

I can make up quotes with the best of 'em...
..

make up quotes?
that "made up" quote is from here
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthre...day-in-America

with 2 "THANKS" for the ideas.

[Anton Chigurh]

make up quotes?
that "made up" quote is from here
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthre...day-in-America

with 2 "THANKS" for the ideas.

Now see? It's attributed. That's how we know it isn't made up ya see.

When a anonymous poster on a message board amounts to relevant, and when it really represents a majority of the American public, then the "Muslims aren't the enemmmmmmy" thing is no longer a straw.

Of course some of John Q. Public might say that, but no public officials I've ever seen have. Also of course, there's a large part of John Q. Public who rails against Christianity, Judaism, and other faiths, claiming those are just as bad if not worse.

Point is, Obama and this Menstruation are trying really hard to make it sound like it is the general consensus that Islam is to blame, when clearly it's far from true. It is a false argument done to mollify political correctness and it is inherently dishonest.

But, you already know that.

[revelarts]

Now see? It's attributed. That's how we know it isn't made up ya see.

When a anonymous poster on a message board amounts to relevant, and when it really represents a majority of the American public, then the "Muslims aren't the enemmmmmmy" thing is no longer a straw.

Of course some of John Q. Public might say that, but no public officials I've ever seen have. Also of course, there's a large part of John Q. Public who rails against Christianity, Judaism, and other faiths, claiming those are just as bad if not worse.

Point is, Obama and this Menstruation are trying really hard to make it sound like it is the general consensus that Islam is to blame, when clearly it's far from true. It is a false argument done to mollify political correctness and it is inherently dishonest.

But, you already know that.

AC i was addressing some people's attitude on this board. I can only hope that the sentiment's not wide spread.

What Obama's doing to make it worse i addressed a bit in other post.

But i as a sidebar here i have to note
I'm sure youre sincere here in your assessment of my post not being attributed. Ok fine.
but frankly i'm feeling a bit piss about that because , I've stopped putting anything in quotes that's not a direct quote from a person on this board or a public figure because others have complained that, if I do in fact MAKE UP an outlandish quote as a joke with NO name attached that people will ASSUME it IS in fact from someone on the board.
But you've done just the opposite, as i say, with sincere intent i'm sure.

But it seems, I'm danged if i do, danged if i don't.

[Anton Chigurh]

But i as a sidebar here i have to note
I'm sure youre sincere here in your assessment of my post not being attributed. Ok fine.
but frankly i'm feeling a bit piss about that because , I've stopped putting anything in quotes that's not a direct quote from a person on this board or a public figure because others have complained that, if I do in fact MAKE UP an outlandish quote as a joke with NO name attached that people will ASSUME it IS in fact from someone on the board.
But you've done just the opposite, as i say, with sincere intent i'm sure.

But it seems, I'm danged if i do, danged if i don't.

It's all in good humor from me man, not trying to be a meanie but couldn't resist.