Is waterboarding torture?

[Drummond]

What about videos of Barry Manilow concerts ?

[fj1200]

When I ever DO lose an argument .. show me how I have. If I'm in the wrong, I'll concede.

Unfortunately for you, I've never yet reached that point in any of our debates. I don't anticipate ever doing so, frankly.

Asked and answered. Whenever you drop a thread because you've failed to advance your argument; the examples are countless.

[Drummond]

Asked and answered. Whenever you drop a thread because you've failed to advance your argument; the examples are countless.

If I ever do 'drop' a thread, as you put it, the reasons vary.

It could be because I'm fed up with your derisory misquotes of my posts. It could be because you've derailed a thread. It could be because you fail to concede what's staring you in the face. It could be because you bait, rather than debate.

If arguments aren't 'advanced', it could be for any / some / all of the above reasons. Or, it could be because you fail to represent your own views - yourself - honestly.

And it could be that you're seeking to derail this thread, too. Am I wrong ?

[fj1200]

If I ever do 'drop' a thread, as you put it, the reasons vary.

It could be because I'm fed up with your derisory misquotes of my posts. It could be because you've derailed a thread. It could be because you fail to concede what's staring you in the face. It could be because you bait, rather than debate.

If arguments aren't 'advanced', it could be for any / some / all of the above reasons. Or, it could be because you fail to represent your own views - yourself - honestly.

And it could be that you're seeking to derail this thread, too. Am I wrong ?

There's always an excuse with your faulty imagination. Besides, who can derail this thread when rev already gave the answer, anything more is posturing.

[revelarts]

How about sleep deprivation? I've heard it works well, even though it takes time. And there is no physical coercion whatsoever.
I've also wondered truth serum drugs. Are they effective, and if so, why aren't they used more?

Sleep depravation can cause psychotic breaks and hallucinations, heart attack and even death if carried on long enough.
and you have do have to physically coerce someone not to sleep. It make not have to be painful coercion into health compromising positions.

And not sure about getting "truth" from a victim of sleep deprivation.

[Gunny]

It NEVER works ? Are you sure ?

Say you've got a terrorist locked up in Gitmo, and he's being uncommunicative towards his captors. Nothing else will work on him, because he's a 'hard case to crack'. How can anyone guarantee that the application of sufficient torture definitely will not yield useful results, saving innocent lives ?

There's also the point to consider that, even if detainees do lie under torture, cross-referencing of what a number of them might say, could still yield useful, discernible, information that'd not otherwise be gained.

Look at the manpower and money that's being wasted for what is basically outdated information. And, bubba, I've been through POW school. THAT was a f-ing blast. I lied my ass off. I had a top secret clearance and they knew it. They got to hear about how I liked butter n jelly sandwiches when I was a kid, how Lee's biggest mistake was not taking Little Round Top the first night at Gettysburg ... all kinds of really informative stuff like THAT.

And when I went through it was still based on Vietnamese crap. You got locked in a box 24-7 and soup once a day for a meal. But I NEVER gave away anything that would compromise this Nation nor its people.

Now, had they offered a deal willing to send every Democrat to Iraq, we may have been able to talk.

[NightTrain]

Now, had they offered a deal willing to send every Democrat to Iraq, we may have been able to talk.

I'd sing like a GD Canary.

[DLT]

John McCain has been waterboarded. He says it's torture. Sean hannity says it's not, but he hasn't gone through the experience (even though he said he would).

I would think that "real torture" would be some practice that leaves permanent physical damage. Like ripping off fingernails, cutting off body parts (like one finger at a time), etc. Water boarding makes suspects fear they are drowning, but no physical damage is done to them in the process.

So I would have to say no...it's not.

Oh...and by the way....don't listen to Snake/Maverick McCain. He's a damned RINO LIAR.

[Gunny]

How about sleep deprivation? I've heard it works well, even though it takes time. And there is no physical coercion whatsoever.
I've also wondered truth serum drugs. Are they effective, and if so, why aren't they used more?

Ask an expert. Me. It makes me psycho and revert to just being pissed. Me pissed and you getting info is a non-happening event. My mind is solely fixated on how I can destroy you. You ain't getting the truth out of me. Better not turn your back though.

[DLT]

Personally, I say they shoot them like 4-5 times out on the field. Bring them to Gitmo and patch them up, only a half assed job. Let them slowly get infected and die even slower. No torture, just lack of care and maybe a little giggling if any of them groan or scream while in pain. Would that be torture, or just shitty bedside skills?

Nah....that would just be ObamaCare ala US Veterans Administration....lol.

[Drummond]

There's always an excuse with your faulty imagination. Besides, who can derail this thread when rev already gave the answer, anything more is posturing.

So, you admit to mere 'posturing', then ?

Here's a thought. Less 'posturing' ... more actual DEBATE. H'm ?

[Drummond]

I would think that "real torture" would be some practice that leaves permanent physical damage. Like ripping off fingernails, cutting off body parts (like one finger at a time), etc. Water boarding makes suspects fear they are drowning, but no physical damage is done to them in the process.

So I would have to say no...it's not.

Oh...and by the way....don't listen to Snake/Maverick McCain. He's a damned RINO LIAR.

Well, I dunno .. I think Barry Manilow proves you wrong ...

[Black Diamond]

Well, I dunno .. I think Barry Manilow proves you wrong ...

Well you came and you gave without taking.

[Drummond]

Look at the manpower and money that's being wasted for what is basically outdated information. And, bubba, I've been through POW school. THAT was a f-ing blast. I lied my ass off. I had a top secret clearance and they knew it. They got to hear about how I liked butter n jelly sandwiches when I was a kid, how Lee's biggest mistake was not taking Little Round Top the first night at Gettysburg ... all kinds of really informative stuff like THAT.

And when I went through it was still based on Vietnamese crap. You got locked in a box 24-7 and soup once a day for a meal. But I NEVER gave away anything that would compromise this Nation nor its people.

Now, had they offered a deal willing to send every Democrat to Iraq, we may have been able to talk.

I suppose I take your point. Although, I'm not sure ... your own experience and abilities don't have to have a match in some of the Gitmo detainees. They could be weaker specimens, better able to extract information from.

[Gunny]

I'd sing like a GD Canary.

Different world. I was young and dumb and as hardcore as it got. When you got other Marines telling you to lighten up, there's a clue.