USS Liberty - false flag operation

[Elessar]

You are in error my friend. .
The Israeli's knew it was us.. They deliberately hit that ship to send a message(AS WE WERE SPYING ON THEM TOO) and guess what, they won, because instead of shooting their attack out of the skies our government let our guys get shot up.
Diplomacy in action negates rational thinking IMHO..
HAVE TO TAKE OFF NOW TO DO CRAP ALL DAY, WILL RETURN TONIGHT TO POST. ---Tyr

An AGI is not rigged or armed. Period.

[Elessar]

The Bush family rigged the boat to explode.

Not sure where you got got that one.

[Black Diamond]

Not sure where you got got that one.

I made it up. Sort of. I am poking fun at conspiracy theorists.

[Elessar]

I made it up. Sort of. I am poking fun at conspiracy theorists.

Ohhh....then I will grin at it.

[aboutime]

On October 12, 2000, 17 U.S. Sailors died on the USS COLE as well. Talking about the Liberty is an honorable thing, but after all these years; how much attention has been paid to what took place?
History is History. We cannot change it, or do anything about it except...REMEMBER IT.

Seems somebody must always dig up something to complain about in order to get attention that lasts...15 Minutes.

How bout we start paying more attention to TODAY? So much is happening and all we hear is WHINING about the past!

Clinton should have declared war...according to NAVAL standards of War. But he wussed out....as usual.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

No way.

We had that boat parked there feeding the Israelis intelligence. How do you think they knew where to hit them? Our SR-71s, U2s and boats like the Liberty all gathering Intel... that was a large part of why Israel kicked so much ass in the Six Day War and the Yom Kippur War.

That's not to take away from the outstanding job they did kicking everyone's asses - that was an outstanding feat. But we were helping them mightily with the Intel while the Soviets were helping the Arabs.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/w...article/414951

Declassified Israeli cables add evidence USS Liberty no accident
By Ralph Lopez Nov 14, 2014 in World
A Special Report by the Chicago Tribune details declassified cables, from the Israeli State Archive, which add further evidence that Israel knew it was attacking an American ship as it attacked the USS Liberty.

Declassified Israeli cables add evidence USS Liberty no accident
By Ralph Lopez Nov 14, 2014 in World
A Special Report by the Chicago Tribune details declassified cables, from the Israeli State Archive, which add further evidence that Israel knew it was attacking an American ship as it attacked the USS Liberty.
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[Chicago Tribune: "New Revelations in Attack on American Spy Ship,"]
Last month, a new documentary broadcast a tape for the first time, of Israeli military transmissions during the attack, which established that the ship was confirmed to be U.S. by 2:14pm that day, local time. The timeline of the attack establishes that the attack continued for another hour after that time.
The existence of the tape is confirmed by transcripts published in the Jerusalem Post in 2004.

The cables obtained by the Tribune, and translated from Hebrew to English, are were published in a 2007 special report. They detail exchanges between the Israeli ambassador in Washington and the Israeli foreign minister in Tel Aviv. Five days after the attack, Israeli Ambassador Avraham Harman worried that the deliberate nature of the attack had been uncovered, and cabled Foreign Minister Abba Eban that a source, code-named "Hamlet," had told him that the Americans had:
"clear proof that from a certain stage the pilot discovered the identity of the ship and continued the attack anyway."
As the diplomatic uproar over the attack played out, Harman cabled three days later that:
"the Americans probably have findings showing that our pilots indeed knew that the ship was American."
One of the sources of the information passed on by the Israeli ambassador was the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, Arthur Goldberg, according to Israeli historian Tom Segev.
The 1967 attack, which the Israeli government said was an accident, has been festering, with survivors once again unanimously renewing their call for a congressional investigation. The survivors say the attack is the only incident involving major damage to an American ship and great loss of life which has never been accorded such an investigation.
Instead, the investigation was relegated to a U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry, presided over by Admiral John S. McCain, Jr., father of John McCain, the US senator and former presidential candidate. In 2003 the lead counsel for the Court, Captain Ward Boston, stepped forward to say that the Court had been ordered by President Lyndon B. Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara to conclude that the attack had been a case of mistaken identity, "despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary." Captain Boston resigned from the Court before the inquiry was complete. He passed away in 2008.
Thirty four US servicemen were killed in the attack, and hundreds wounded. In the new documentary "The Day Israel Attacked America," survivors of the attack go on-camera to again recount their memories, and to reiterate their firm conviction, in which they have been joined by a long list of top military and political figures, that the attack was a deliberate attempt to sink an American ship.
Supporters include former NSA Director Bobby Ray Inman and the late US Secretary of State, under Lyndon Johnson, Dean Rusk. Supporters of the survivors, such as the late Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Thomas Moorer, say the reason for the attack may have been to blame the sinking of the ship on Egypt, with which Israel was at war at the time. This would have drawn the US into the Six Day War on the Israeli side.

There is little doubt, given the damage and the prolonged nature of the attack, that the Israeli military struggled to sink the ship. Over the course of the hour-and-a-half attack, numerous Israeli jet fighters and high-speed torpedo boats expended over 800 rounds of 30mm cannon, air-to-surface rockets, heat-seeking missiles, napalm bombs, and five torpedoes.
Toward the end of the attack, Israeli torpedo boats pulled up at close range and machine-gunned the life-boats that were being lowered into the water by the Liberty crew in preparation to abandon ship, beginning with the most severely wounded.
According to Geneva Article 12, the rules of war prohibit firing upon the wounded, or those attempting to evacuate them, at any time. Such action is considered an international war crime.
The new documentary, produced and directed by award-winning British film maker Richard Belfield, is riveting in the details recounted by the survivors of the Liberty, such as the clear memory of blood streaming down the hull of the ship, reddening the water. On decks slippery with blood and littered with body parts, the crew fought fires and ship damage in order to keep the Liberty afloat, and tended to wounded, all while many were wounded themselves. Numerous commendations for heroism were awarded to crew members by the Navy, including a Medal of Honor, and then the crew's members ordered never to talk about the attack.
Supporting the thesis that the action was intended to be blamed on Egypt, and that President Lyndon B. Johnson may have had foreknowledge of it, is the coincidence that the US Sixth Fleet in the Mediterranean was conducting a drill in which warplanes were already equipped with live nuclear weapons. In addition, Admiral of the Fleet Lawrence Geis told another officer on that day that LBJ had recalled two groups of US planes he had sent from his ships to assist the Liberty. Geis told Lieutenant Commander David Lewis, the NSA commander on the Liberty, that in a frantic exchange with Secretary McNamara during the attack, Johnson:
"came on (the telephone) with a comment that he didn't care if the (Liberty) sunk, he would not embarrass his allies."
Geis swore Lieutenant Commander Lewis to secrecy while he, Geis, was alive. Lewis honored the request and did not speak until Geis passed in 1980.
Students of the USS Liberty attack who claim it was a "false flag" operation, in which an attack is intended to be blamed on an enemy in order to accomplish a wartime objective, point out the "Lavon Affair" in w

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Toward the end of the attack, Israeli torpedo boats pulled up at close range and machine-gunned the life-boats that were being lowered into the water by the Liberty crew in preparation to abandon ship, beginning with the most severely wounded.

Five days after the attack, Israeli Ambassador Avraham Harman worried that the deliberate nature of the attack had been uncovered, and cabled Foreign Minister Abba Eban that a source, code-named "Hamlet," had told him that the Americans had:
"clear proof that from a certain stage the pilot discovered the identity of the ship and continued the attack anyway."
As the diplomatic uproar over the attack played out, Harman cabled three days later that:
"the Americans probably have findings showing that our pilots indeed knew that the ship was American."

This has angered me for many, many years my friend and believe me I want retribution for this!!
I am firmly on Israel's side for its survival--but no way in hell will I forget or forgive them for this attack.
To date, they have paid no damn price for this and I want them to pay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not money-- but in blood!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!-Tyr

[jimnyc]

I find it interesting, that the person that argued to have this 'false flag' thing brought up, never returned once the thread was broke off. Odd that!

[Gunny]

I find it interesting, that the person that argued to have this 'false flag' thing brought up, never returned once the thread was broke off. Odd that!

I'm not real cool with that either since that person has been on since it happened and every chance to respond. What *I* see is a lot of conspiracy junk being thrown against the wall to see what sticks.

Who cares about the USS Liberty? I think we should invade Cuba again over the USS Maine.

[NightTrain]

Declassified Israeli cables add evidence USS Liberty no accident
By Ralph Lopez Nov 14, 2014 in World
A Special Report by the Chicago Tribune details declassified cables, from the Israeli State Archive, which add further evidence that Israel knew it was attacking an American ship as it attacked the USS Liberty.

Sorry, buddy, but this "journalist" is a nutjob.

Let's look at a few of his other articles :

http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/w...article/426577

^ Bush family tied to terrorists... lol

http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/w...article/425008

^ Cheney's role in the 9/11 Pentagon attack... lol

http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/w...article/424934

^ Kissinger as a War Criminal... lol

http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/w...article/424470

^ CIA controlling the media... lol


I could go on, but you get the picture.

If anyone is taking up a collection for Ralph Lopez's bad tinfoil habit, I'll contribute. Let's get the young lad some industrial grade stuff - the ordinary household stuff clearly isn't doing shit for him.

[Christie Brinkley]

Sorry, buddy, but this "journalist" is a nutjob.

Let's look at a few of his other articles :

http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/w...article/426577

^ Bush family tied to terrorists... lol

http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/w...article/425008

^ Cheney's role in the 9/11 Pentagon attack... lol

http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/w...article/424934

^ Kissinger as a War Criminal... lol

http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/w...article/424470

^ CIA controlling the media... lol


I could go on, but you get the picture.

If anyone is taking up a collection for Ralph Lopez's bad tinfoil habit, I'll contribute. Let's get the young lad some industrial grade stuff - the ordinary household stuff clearly isn't doing shit for him.

Have you actually read those articled you linked to and researched them yourself or have you just read their titles and in your ignorance and closed mindedness ruled them out?

How about disprove them with a debate instead of laughing at them like a bully in a school play ground throwing names and stereotypes around.

[Abbey Marie]

@Christie Brinkley - I'm curious about your reason for bringing this up at this point in time. Can you expound?

[Christie Brinkley]

@Christie Brinkley - I'm curious about your reason for bringing this up at this point in time. Can you expound?

I was reminded about the false flag terror attack by someone making a thread about a ship sinking killing around 25 people.

[Gunny]

Have you actually read those articled you linked to and researched them yourself or have you just read their titles and in your ignorance and closed mindedness ruled them out?

How about disprove them with a debate instead of laughing at them like a bully in a school play ground throwing names and stereotypes around.

How about you educate yourself in more than just conspiracy propaganda? And you wore out that " you debate want to debate" excuse in the last thread. You don't debate. You get on your bullypulpit and preach like we're stupid. We don't know what's going on in our own country but YOU do.

[Black Diamond]

Have you actually read those articled you linked to and researched them yourself or have you just read their titles and in your ignorance and closed mindedness ruled them out?

How about disprove them with a debate instead of laughing at them like a bully in a school play ground throwing names and stereotypes around.

Just like we should prove the Bush administration wasn't behind the world trade center attack.

[Gunny]

Just like we should prove the Bush administration wasn't behind the world trade center attack.

There's another laugher of a deal. Count the number of people it would take to carry out such a conspiracy and who wouldn't sell out to Fox or CNN .... oh yeah ... they all turned out to be AQ. My bad.