Why Trump?

[crin63]

Please don't take my lack of argument as necessarily agreeing with any of you.

I don't lack in the ability to argue or debate a point and I am seldom want for an opinion. I am just trying to wrap my head around this topic and understand from people who have given this some thought.

A "Thanks" is for an actual thought out answer whether I agree or not. I appreciate the participation.

Politically , should you be interested you can see where I stand you can go to the one on one debates and read the debate between Emmett and myself. Libertarian vs. Republican. I'm to the left of Libertarian and Right of Republican.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

It is simple...

He walks the walk and talks the talk; and appears to be quite prepared to back it up.

He has spoken openly about many people believe and shy away from.

No need for me to post my reply as I had intended, as it would be repeating exactly what you just said.
True and that reality is ignored by too many IN FAVOR OF BELIEVING THE CABAL AND ITS BILLION DOLLAR PROPAGANDA ALIGNED AGAINST HIM IMHO. -TYR

[Larrymc]

Hi All! Some of you know me and some don't.

I realize I'm late to the party here but I am really curious how people are able to support Trump. I'm not trying to pick a fight with my questions. I just really want to understand because I don't get it. I get the anger and frustration people feel because I'm right there with you.


How do you support a guy who owes George Soros for loaning/investing $160 million in Trump Tower Chicago?
How do you support a guy who has been and continues to be on every side or every issue? The guy is a pathological liar. He says whatever the people in front of him want to hear.
How do you support a guy who has said that his campaign rhetoric is the high end of negotiations that he will back off of to make a deal so really have no idea what he believes or what he will do?
How do you support a guy who has financed Hillary, Nancy Pelosi and who financed Harry Reid against a Tea Party candidate? Just to name a few.
How do you support a guy who has and still defends Planned Parenthood?
How do you support a guy who spins virtually everything like Trump University as an example by claiming it has an A rating as though it is and was something other than a fraudulent venture? Please, it has an A rating because it's been out of business so the complaints drop off after 3 years. Not because it's actually turned around.

Question for Christians:
How do you support a guy who thinks he has no need of God? If he has no need of repentance then he doesn't believe he has sinned against God. This guy is a serial fornicator, adulterer, liar and a supporter of murdering unborn Americans without repentance.

I don't mean the questions to be antagonistic in nature, it's just how I see the issues and question them.

I Have To Agree

[pete311]

It is simple...

He walks the walk and talks the talk; and appears to be quite prepared to back it up.

He has spoken openly about many people believe and shy away from.

Give me examples of him walking the walk. He talks big and I don't see anything to back it up at the moment. First 4 billion for the wall now 12+. Oh and all you need is a ladder and a rope to get over.

[fj1200]

I have no interest in Trump University. Don't care.

Did you have an interest in, say, Whitewater?

[darin]

Please don't take my lack of argument as necessarily agreeing with any of you. Except Darin. I agree with him because he's compelling and pretty smart..

I don't lack in the ability to argue or debate a point and I am seldom want for an opinion. I am just trying to wrap my head around this topic and understand from people who have given this some thought.

A "Thanks" is for an actual thought out answer whether I agree or not. I appreciate the participation.

Politically , should you be interested you can see where I stand you can go to the one on one debates and read the debate between Emmett and myself. Libertarian vs. Republican. I'm to the left of Libertarian and Right of Republican.

I fixed that bit for you, CR. Just cuz I know that's what you REALLY meant.

[fj1200]

^Rule breaker.

[crin63]

I fixed that bit for you, CR. Just cuz I know that's what you REALLY meant.

Props to you brother! That was good! I really did laugh out loud.

[Drummond]

Please don't take my lack of argument as necessarily agreeing with any of you.

I don't lack in the ability to argue or debate a point and I am seldom want for an opinion. I am just trying to wrap my head around this topic and understand from people who have given this some thought.

A "Thanks" is for an actual thought out answer whether I agree or not. I appreciate the participation.

Politically , should you be interested you can see where I stand you can go to the one on one debates and read the debate between Emmett and myself. Libertarian vs. Republican. I'm to the left of Libertarian and Right of Republican.

Um ... if you're to the left of Libertarian, you're to the left of the radical Left !! Libertarianism is identified as LEFT WING in nature, on my side of the Pond. And elsewhere, too ... see ....

http://attackthesystem.com/beyond-co...ibertarianism/

It is clear that the modern libertarian movement has its roots in radicalism rather than any sort of conservatism. However, since its initial beginnings within the context of the radical Left, much of the libertarian movement has turned sharply rightward, though in varying and often conflicting ways. This essay will argue that this rightward shift within the libertarian movement is severely misguided, as libertarianism and conservatism are not only historically antagonistic to one another but are indeed diametrical opposites. Secondly, it will be shown that efforts to synthesize libertarianism with conservatism have resulted in dramatically negative consequences for the realm of libertarian strategy and practical political activism, consequences that are entirely predictable given the conflicting natures of libertarianism and conservatism.

[fj1200]

Um ... if you're to the left of Libertarian, you're to the left of the radical Left !! Libertarianism is identified as LEFT WING in nature, on my side of the Pond. And elsewhere, too ... see ....

[crin63]

Um ... if you're to the left of Libertarian, you're to the left of the radical Left !! Libertarianism is identified as LEFT WING in nature, on my side of the Pond. And elsewhere, too ... see ....

http://attackthesystem.com/beyond-co...ibertarianism/

That must be the Snopes version.

The political scale is: Far left is total control or totalitarian. Far right is no control or anarchy. Libertarian is between the middle and anarchy. Closer to anarchy than the middle.

[Black Diamond]

That must be the Snopes version.

The political scale is: Far left is total control or totalitarian. Far right is no control or anarchy. Libertarian is between the middle and anarchy. Closer to anarchy than the middle.

Where would Mussolini and Pinochet fall then?

[crin63]

Where would Mussolini and Pinochet fall then?

Leftist

[fj1200]

Where would Mussolini and Pinochet fall then?

Definitely not Libertarian. Any fascist like Mussolini will be on the left side but Pinochet is interesting because he introduced some economic liberalization during his years.

[Drummond]

That must be the Snopes version.

The political scale is: Far left is total control or totalitarian. Far right is no control or anarchy. Libertarian is between the middle and anarchy. Closer to anarchy than the middle.

DEFINITELY closer to anarchy !! See ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_anarchism

Libertarian anarchism may refer to:

Anarchism, a political philosophy that advocates stateless societies, usually considered a radical left-wing ideology

Autarchism, a political philosophy that upholds the principle of individual liberty, rejects compulsory government, and supports the elimination of government in favor of ruling oneself and no other

Free-market anarchism, a political philosophy that advocates the elimination of the state in favor of individual sovereignty, private property, and open markets

Agorism, a revolutionary form of free-market anarchism that focuses on employing counter-economic activity to undermine the state

Anarcho-capitalism, a right-wing political philosophy that advocates the elimination of the state in favor of individual sovereignty, private property, and open markets

Left-wing market anarchism, a political philosophy that strongly affirms the classical liberal ideas of self-ownership and free markets, while maintaining that, taken to their logical conclusions, these ideas support "anti-capitalist" positions

Libertarianism, an individualist political philosophy that upholds liberty as its primary focus and principal objective

Voluntaryism, a political philosophy which holds that all forms of human association should be voluntary

Libertarianism has been identified as both Left and Right wing ... but definitely originates as something LEFT wing.

And here in Britain, those staunch LEFT WING Unions, who pay their dues to LABOUR, only gave us ... ANARCHY. Look up 'Winter of Discontent' and see what you learn from it.

And check out those values which many of our LEFT WING Unions say they identify with and fight for. Try separating them out from a contempt for authority, and a wish to foment anarchy whenever it suits them ....

If you're a Libertarian, you identify yourself as LEFT wing. It's ultimately that simple.