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    Default If the wages of sin is death, and Jesus died, does that make Jesus a sinner?

    If the wages of sin is death, and Jesus died, does that make Jesus a sinner?

    To sin is to do something immoral and thus create a victim to that sin. I cannot see all sins as something that would condemn us to eternal suffering and death in hell or the lake of fire as that goes against the biblical notion of justice being an eye for an eye or that the penalty should fit the crime/sin.

    What sin did Jesus do to earn his death?

    I see Jesus’ death as more of suicide than sacrifice as he initiated his own suicide by getting Judas to betray him.

    Could Jesus’ sin have been suicide?


    If not, what do you think his sin was?

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    Fail. Guess you missed the newsflash: Christ is not dead. Back to the drawing board, Wile E.
    “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    If the wages of sin is death, and Jesus died, does that make Jesus a sinner?

    To sin is to do something immoral and thus create a victim to that sin. I cannot see all sins as something that would condemn us to eternal suffering and death in hell or the lake of fire as that goes against the biblical notion of justice being an eye for an eye or that the penalty should fit the crime/sin.

    What sin did Jesus do to earn his death?

    I see Jesus’ death as more of suicide than sacrifice as he initiated his own suicide by getting Judas to betray him.

    Could Jesus’ sin have been suicide?


    If not, what do you think his sin was?

    Regards
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    Personally. I believe it is a sin that people like you take advantage of your hatred by trying to convince others that you are better than they are, or smarter. When it comes to sin. YOU are not eligible, or qualified to even ask such BS.
    I love to make Liberals Cry, and Whine.
    So, this is for them.
    GOD BLESS AMERICA - IN GOD WE TRUST !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    If the wages of sin is death, and Jesus died, does that make Jesus a sinner?
    To sin is to do something immoral and thus create a victim to that sin.
    I cannot see all sins as something that would condemn us to eternal suffering and death in hell or the lake of fire as that goes against the biblical notion of justice being an eye for an eye or that the penalty should fit the crime/sin.
    What sin did Jesus do to earn his death?
    I see Jesus’ death as more of suicide than sacrifice as he initiated his own suicide by getting Judas to betray him.
    Could Jesus’ sin have been suicide?
    If not, what do you think his sin was?
    the apostle John answers with

    1 John 3: 4-6
    Everyone who commits sin breaks God’s law, for that is what sin is, by definition—a breaking of God’s law.
    You know, moreover, that Christ became man for the purpose of removing sin, and he himself was quite free from sin.


    the apostle Paul and the writer of Hebrews expand on those facts.
    Romans 5
    But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us....
    ...Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned
    ...The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.
    For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!
    Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous...
    Hebrews 4
    Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
    For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
    Hebrews 13
    The high priest carries the blood of animals into the Most Holy Place as a sin offering, but the bodies are burned outside the camp. And so Jesus also suffered outside the city gate to make the people holy through his own blood.
    Hebrew 7
    Human High Priests have always been changing, for death made a permanent appointment impossible.
    But Christ, because he lives for ever, possesses a priesthood that needs no successor.
    This means that he can save fully and completely those who approach God through him, for he is always living to intercede on their behalf.
    Here is the High Priest we need. A man who is holy, faultless, unstained, beyond the very reach of sin and lifted to the very Heavens.
    There is no need for him, like the High Priest we know, to offer up sacrifice, first for our own sins and then for the people’s.
    He made one sacrifice, once for all, when he offered up himself.


    so your definition of sin is somewhat off, and your assessment Jesus and his actions are way off.
    end of story.
    But If you want to MAKE UP or adhere to other ideas about God and Jesus and believe those, well, that's your choice. Have fun while you can.
    But please don't pretend that your view is is somehow logical and based on scripture while you IGNORE the CLEARLY EXPRESSED teaching of the Apostles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Fail. Guess you missed the newsflash: Christ is not dead. Back to the drawing board, Wile E.
    So Jesus did not die for us. Ok.

    I agree.

    Strange though that you would eliminate or deny the crucifixion and sacrifice instead of just admitting that there I something wrong with the story of Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutime View Post
    Personally. I believe it is a sin that people like you take advantage of your hatred by trying to convince others that you are better than they are, or smarter. When it comes to sin. YOU are not eligible, or qualified to even ask such BS.
    I asked a question and you showed your hate because of not being able to reconcile the idea I question.

    You might remember ----

    Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. Eleanor Roosevelt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    I asked a question and you showed your hate because of not being able to reconcile the idea I question.

    You might remember ----

    Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. Eleanor Roosevelt

    Regard
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    You really are dangerously funny. Preaching as you try to do here is laughable, at best. If you think my personal opinion about you is HATEFUL, you should remember the words about "Judging Others."

    By the way. Your foolish words here, reminded me...
    "It is impossible to have an intelligent conversation with someone like you, who has no intelligence."
    Last edited by aboutime; 09-06-2017 at 12:30 PM.
    I love to make Liberals Cry, and Whine.
    So, this is for them.
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    Stunning misconception of the Bible. Or deliberate obfuscation.
    After the game, the king and the pawn go into the same box - Author unknown

    “Unfortunately, the truth is now whatever the media say it is”
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    [QUOTE=revelarts;878752]the apostle John answers with

    and he himself was quite free from sin.


    [QUOTE]



    The how could he die sinless if death is the wage of sin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbey View Post
    Stunning misconception of the Bible. Or deliberate obfuscation.

    Abbey. I suspect gnostic uses the DNC talking points manual that reminds followers they are only GOOD if they promise to believe all of the Liberal Lies.
    I love to make Liberals Cry, and Whine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbey View Post
    Stunning misconception of the Bible. Or deliberate obfuscation.
    Thanks for clearing things up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Thanks for clearing things up.

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    Glad I could help
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    Jesus became sin and died.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Diamond View Post
    Jesus became sin and died.

    Gnostic doesn't want us to remember that Jesus Died for Our Sins. Gnostic IMO, is a phony prophet, not unlike Jim Jones, or the Leader of Scientology...L. Ron Hubbard. Terribly intelligent Idiots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    ...the apostle John answers with
    and he himself was quite free from sin. ...
    The how could he die sinless if death is the wage of sin?
    Regards
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    umm Gnostic are you married? Have you ever given all your wages/pay check to your wife?
    Why are you acting as if wages aren't transferable to those that didn't do the work for them?
    It's not a difficult concept. And It's not a hidden concept, the apostles text over and over again clearly says that's exactly what happened.

    2 Corinthians
    "We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God. God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."

    the whole living metaphor of the Mosesic sacrificial system is employed to describe it in the book of Hebrews especially but it's also mentioned in nearly ever new testament book.
    The sacrifice/death of the innocent/clean/unblemished/holy/SINLESS animal is substituted for the death of the guilty offender.
    John the baptist said when he saw Jesus as an adult "Behold the LAMB of GOD that takes away the sin of the world."

    Gnostic you have to want to miss that idea not to see that.
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