Russia election: What do young Russians think of Putin?

[Drummond]

She is outstanding as a singer, too.

Absolutely !! She represented Ukraine in the Eurovision song contest.

This is one lady who can REALLY belt out a song !!

Here's Zlata, doing just that, a few years ago ...

[Drummond]

And Ukraine was not the only one republic, that suffered because of soviet government. The whole USSR was a fucking mistake, that cost millions of lifes

Agreed. Absolutely. WELL SAID.

Even so, it's a fact that Ukraine DID suffer enormously (millions of lives were lost in Ukraine alone !). It's more than understandable that many if not most in that country will be no less than desperate to cut all ties with Russia, permanently.

... and with Putin, the ex-KGB colonel ......

[Drummond]

Because Donbass people want to be Russians, but they also want to live on their land. This is not Ukrainian government's lands. It belong to people. And people are fighting for their land.
Before that conflict we were in peace and call each other "brothers" (except that Ukraine Rebel Army fan club, they always was an enemies. As I know, they even fought against our forces in 1 Chechen conflict).
But now there are a lot of propaganda in both sides. We call them nazis, they call us nazis. I, actually, don't know, what to believe. I know, that our mass media give us a lot of crap. But the Ukrainian mass media give even worse shit. Their "info" almost immediately became a meme here.
The problem of Ukraine is that it is the same, as in Russia. Stupid, incompetent leaders, total corruption. Young people there want to leave the country. Here the same. I don't know anybody, who will not run away, if they have the opportunity.

If it helps you decide who are or are not the Nazis ... Ukraine hasn't attacked British soil with any chemical weapons. They regard NATO, in fact, as their friend, I understand. Russia, undoubtedly, HAS attacked us with chemical weapons. It's been killing its opposition. And it doesn't care if others die who are in range, either.

Hitler did that sort of thing, in spades ....

I don't usually use Al Jazeera for material. Here, though, they are helpful ...

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/...054257166.html

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg has called on Russia to use its "considerable influence" to end fighting in eastern Ukraine after a renewed surge in violence there.

Moscow-backed rebels and government forces have traded blame for the flare-up in the industrial east that has seen the highest casualty rate since mid-December and cut off power and water to thousands of civilians on both sides of the front line.

The shelling eased on Wednesday, but the January 29 to 31 clashes near the Kiev-held frontline town of Avdiyivka brought the festering conflict back into focus amid warnings of a looming humanitarian crisis.

"We call for an immediate return to the ceasefire," Stoltenberg said in Brussels. "We call on Russia to use its considerable influence over the separatists to bring the violence to an end."

Hitler believed in 'Might is Right'. We are very clear, over here in the West, that Putin sees his approach to international affairs in much the same way.

Hitler annexed Austria. Putin annexed Crimea. Good luck in spotting meaningful differences ....

[Gunny]

Untill the USSR there was no Ukraine
There was Malorussia region (or Littlerussia). Before that part of those lands was held by Poland. But there was a looong time ago. When the revolution of 1917 begin, there was a lot of separatist actions. Finland, for example. It is funny, somebody here call Finland is a country, where White's was victorious. Maybe the whole Russia coud be a better place, if the Last true European Russians (the White Army) coud defeat all of commie shit-heads.

And I'm not telling you, that we need all the Ukraine I just think, that Russians of the Ukraine (and there are A LOT) have right to live on their land as they want. Ukrainian government do not accept their will. And here goes the war.

Damn, I'll be honest with you, it's hard to discuss such complicated theme using english
I feel, that I just don't know how to say properly some things

Finland has been a country since the Stone Age. It lost some land to the Soviets, but the Fins (who WERE aided by the White Russians) managed to keep its autonomy. The Soviets demanded war reparations after WWII and the Fins had to industrialize to pay them back. What the reparations were for beats me, and why Finland paid them is also a mystery to me. It's basically rated as one THE best countries in the world to live in.

Must be too cold there or that rating of best country to live in would definitely bring about its ruin. Every loser in the world would descend on the place.

The "Nazi" thing sounds like the left and right, politically, here in the US. The left calls the right Nazi's when it is they who are the Nazi's. Socialists that run around in mobs rioting and destroying things (in the name of "peace" no less) and thinking freedom of speech means you can speak what they tell you is about as Nazi as it gets.

Politics are weird. I heard at some point that Ukrainians who joined the 3rd Reich did so because they hated Stalin. A lot of the world's current alliances are completely stupid but based on some real or imagined viewpoint. The people and their cultures are secondary to lines drawn in the sand. From what I read, Ukraine could very-well be 3 different countries.

My point is simple, and not to pass judgement because I listen to what you are saying about the people. I also know what the law says. Russia defined the boundaries of Ukraine in the 1920s. They accepted them as boundaries all during the Soviet era, and when the Soviet Union officially dissolved and recognized those boundaries. Russia violated the law by its own agreements.

That is why Russia is considered the bad guys in this instance. It isn't acceptable anymore to just take a country or a portion of it just because you want to. That quit being acceptable in the 1950s.

It'll be awhile before anyone accepts Russia's claim, if they ever do. As the Nations are now, they will not.

I have a totally off-topic question that has nothing to do with politics. If I have a Russian girlfriend who speaks only Russian and I do not, am I still in as much trouble as I am when some American girl is yelling at me for some perceived slight? Or is it different since I can't understand a word she's saying?
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[Polite Russian]

I have a totally off-topic question that has nothing to do with politics. If I have a Russian girlfriend who speaks only Russian and I do not, am I still in as much trouble as I am when some American girl is yelling at me for some perceived slight? Or is it different since I can't understand a word she's saying?
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Depends on girl, I think
And it is complicated to get a girlfriend, if you don't understand anything?
Bbbbut I think, that because of that you will be in less trouble
But I never was under US girl's yelling, so, who knows.





Guys, I don't think, that I can answer to all of that
I really believe, that the annexion of Crimea was not a mistake (the only one notamistake for a long time). I don't think, that I can convince you to take my side. But you can't convince me, that it was bad.
I know your position, you know mine, but nor you, or me can do anything with the reality. As I know, people of Crimea think, that their life become better. And that, as I think, is important.
And I think, that it's only our buisness. No offence.

[Gunny]

Depends on girl, I think
And it is complicated to get a girlfriend, if you don't understand anything?
Bbbbut I think, that because of that you will be in less trouble
But I never was under US girl's yelling, so, who knows.





Guys, I don't think, that I can answer to all of that
I really believe, that the annexion of Crimea was not a mistake (the only one notamistake for a long time). I don't think, that I can convince you to take my side. But you can't convince me, that it was bad.
I know your position, you know mine, but nor you, or me can do anything with the reality. As I know, people of Crimea think, that their life become better. And that, as I think, is important.
And I think, that it's only our buisness. No offence.

Had Russia not acknowledged Ukraine's declaration of independence and recognized it as a sovereign nation I would agree it would be your business. Since most of the world recognizes Ukraine as a sovereign nation and has since 1991, it is the world's business from a legal standpoint.

I'm more than willing to let the world figure it out too. If it was that important to them, NATO should have acted immediately; otherwise, what is NATO worth?

I think women are the same everywhere which means I would be in just as much trouble there as here. I've just got it like that

[Polite Russian]

Had Russia not acknowledged Ukraine's declaration of independence and recognized it as a sovereign nation I would agree it would be your business. Since most of the world recognizes Ukraine as a sovereign nation and has since 1991, it is the world's business from a legal standpoint.

I'm more than willing to let the world figure it out too. If it was that important to them, NATO should have acted immediately; otherwise, what is NATO worth?

I think women are the same everywhere which means I would be in just as much trouble there as here. I've just got it like that

You wanna find yourself a Russian girl?

[Gunny]

You wanna find yourself a Russian girl?

Hell no. I'm a bit older than you. Girls and I don't get along. It's not that I don't like them. They just get mad at me all the time

I don't even know what the American ones are pissed off at half the time and I CAN understand what they are saying. All I need is one I can't even understand WTF I'm getting bitched out about

[Papokarlo]

How was it "illegally" transferred? From a map, it looks to be part of Ukraine and not Russia. Russia is having to build a bridge to get to it.

You mean it was part of the Soviet Union which was the biggest illegal land grab in the 20th century? The Soviet Union was dissolved BY Russia. Russia didn't want it. Now it does so it just takes the place by force. You can call that whatever you want. It's called unprovoked, armed invasion and occupation by force by any logical mind. Not to mention stealing.

you have outdated maps, we have new ones. while you thought we were a third world country we already built a bridge and it will be launched in may 2018.
its length is 19 km, and Google maps will not show it to you. this information will not show on your TV

[Gunny]

you have outdated maps, we have new ones. while you thought we were a third world country we already built a bridge and it will be launched in may 2018.
its length is 19 km, and Google maps will not show it to you. this information will not show on your TV

YOU are what is outdated. I'm well-aware of the bridge and even when it was going to open. A bridge does not change international boundaries.

Sorry. It's an illegal land grab until an international court and the international community say otherwise. All there is to it.

[Papokarlo]

YOU are what is outdated. I'm well-aware of the bridge and even when it was going to open. A bridge does not change international boundaries.

Sorry. It's an illegal land grab until an international court and the international community say otherwise. All there is to it.

in may, they will open the bridge while you think about international law, we will ride on it. and remember in this situation we are right

[Papokarlo]

America didn't ask anyone when it bombed Yugoslavia. America didn't ask anyone when it entered Iraq. The UN security Council did not give America the right.

[Gunny]

in may, they will open the bridge while you think about international law, we will ride on it. and remember in this situation we are right

You have completely missed the point here, On more than one level.

First, it's YOU crying about some bullshit law you invented and pulled out your ass about the proof of the military grade chemical used to poison the 2 Brits.

Now, for your convenience, international law doesn't matter where Crimea is concerned. So WHICH ONE IS It, COMMIE? It counts or it doesn't but you don't get to pick and choose when it does or doesn't as it suits you.

Second, as I already stated, that bridge doesn't make your claim any more legal than before the bridge. It just means there's a bridge.

[Polite Russian]

Hell no. I'm a bit older than you. Girls and I don't get along. It's not that I don't like them. They just get mad at me all the time

I don't even know what the American ones are pissed off at half the time and I CAN understand what they are saying. All I need is one I can't even understand WTF I'm getting bitched out about

hahah, well, you just need to find one
Actually we have a lot of calm, cute and reasonable ladies here

[Papokarlo]

You have completely missed the point here, On more than one level.

First, it's YOU crying about some bullshit law you invented and pulled out your ass about the proof of the military grade chemical used to poison the 2 Brits.

Now, for your convenience, international law doesn't matter where Crimea is concerned. So WHICH ONE IS It, COMMIE? It counts or it doesn't but you don't get to pick and choose when it does or doesn't as it suits you.

Second, as I already stated, that bridge doesn't make your claim any more legal than before the bridge. It just means there's a bridge.

we take the example from America:
America didn't ask anyone when it bombed Yugoslavia. America didn't ask anyone when it entered Iraq. The UN security Council did not give America the right.