Leaked Brexit declaration regarding fisheries, pls excuse me while I have a hearty laugh ^,^
Leaked Brexit declaration regarding fisheries, pls excuse me while I have a hearty laugh ^,^
If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.
I'm sure that they wish they did !
In any case: Obama was so friendly towards them as to - do you recall this ? - try and skew our Referendum vote in the EU's favour. Remember his telling the UK that if we voted to leave the EU, we could forget doing trade deals with the US ? We were told we could expect to go to the back of the queue for such deals, if we voted in a way he didn't approve of.
This didn't go down too well with Brits, as you can imagine. I think we looked upon him less favourably as a result of his clear intention to interfere with our democratic decision.
President Trump's approach couldn't be more different. He's pleased with the Referendum vote, and is keen to forge new and close trading ties with the UK ... IF ... we rid ourselves of the EU entirely.
Last edited by Drummond; 11-23-2018 at 10:06 AM.
It's That Bloody Foreigner Again !!!
I vaguely recall Obama saying such. He was about as anti-American and our allies as it gets so it isn't surprising.
That also reinforces my point that was I the UK, I'd jump ship NOW while Trump is the US President. I'm sure he'd be more than happy to make a deal with the UK just to thumb the EU in the eye if nothing else.
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke
A result of the fact that our negotiations have lead to awful deals, because we are negotiating from such a weak position.
We now know the Northern Ireland border and fisheries have been botched - looking forward to see what other deals our elite Brexit negotiating team have been able to make (:
If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.
Negotiating from a "weak position" is in your head. Negotiating "in good faith" is the right and proper way to do things. Unfortunately, the EU is not. In such a circumstance, the kid gloves come off and you shove it up the EU's backside. The strength of the EU is they have you believing they are strong.
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke
Okay so - The pro-Brexit euro-skeptic party went into negotiations with the group they described as a faceless, bureaucratic, unaccountable, power-centric Europeans. And their excuse for walking away with a bad deal (which plenty of Tories are trying to play of as a good deal would you believe) is because those dastardly Europeans were too mean?
If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.
DID we negotiate from 'a weak position' .. ? I disagree.
We may not have had a very great deal to bargain with. But don't discount the importance, to the EU, of (for example) the future of EU citizens choosing to live and work, after Brexit, within the UK. And ... most importantly ... we are a prime contributor to EU coffers. Why do you think their very first move was to demand £100 billion pounds from us ??
We could've used that to insist upon a good deal .. saying you'll not even get the £39 million agreed upon unless we get a good deal.
But, no. Mrs May cared too much about getting ANY deal (I think that the very act of getting one was something she thought the history books would praise her over, possibly even present-day UK citizens, incredibly !!). So, she conceded ... too much.
Such was her personal pride, put before all else.
I very much doubt Parliament will ratify the deal.
It's That Bloody Foreigner Again !!!
You're too eager to blame our side for 'botched' terms. I remind you of what you should already well know ... an inordinate amount of time was wasted, BY THE EU, in doing NO negotiating. When they weren't demanding money, they were busily telling us what they definitely would not budge on.
Negotiation involves (to whatever degree) a measure of give and take. For most of this last 2 years, the EU has concentrated on 'take' to the cost of any willingness to 'give' anything at all.
You want to apportion blame. Yes ? OK, then. The lion's share should go, without question, to the EU ... who've blackmailed, bullied, demanded, laid down the law .. ANYTHING but negotiate in good faith.
Noir, whether or not you'll admit it, you know I'm right. The EU's 'negotiating' conduct (& I think deliberately, tactically so, throughout all this time) has been disreputable in the extreme.
It's That Bloody Foreigner Again !!!
“The bad, mean, dastardly side made demands and bullied us out of making a good deal”
A generic quote covering the history of time whenever one side is strong, the other weak, and the strong win the day.
The side that holds the power makes the demands, the side that doesn’t pleads for more and if they’re lucky get it, apparently we weren’t lucky, so no deal it is.
If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.
When the side that "holds power" is a paper tiger and so arrogant that it believes its own hype won't be reasonable you walk on them. What are they going to do? Get mad? Call the UK names?
Let me guess ... those European nations that can't even keep out or control a bunch of ME refugees are going to use force? Like WWII? They aren't going to do anything but whine and cry. Probably threaten anyone offering to deal with the UK; which, in case you haven't noticed would just make Trump's day if not year.
Shouldn't let fear drive you so much, Noir. Really unbecoming.
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke
A ‘paper tiger’ that the U.K. Brexit team capitulated under (don’t take my word for it - I’m sure Drummond would be happy to tell you how bad every aspect of this deal we know about is)
As to ‘what will they do’. Take the U.K. fisheries for example, as they are outlined in the leaked text above, the EU will stop allocation of fishing quotas for the U.K. in EU waters, and the U.K. would then do the same for the EU in U.K. waters, guess who comes of worse in that exchange?
If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.
So THAT's what you're afraid of. This time You would have to defend your Rights AND fend for yourselves. Something no good socialist like you is up to.
Even if you don't want to get your balls back, Noir, it appears others do. I realize you prefer being a live, mediocre slave to a dead patriot, but not everyone feels that way.
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke