UK wasn't prepared - and initially failed?

[Kathianne]

Sounds about right to me.

Are you asking why he stays?

Well that was the point, but seems everyone would just rather tell me why Drummond is such a jolly good fellow. So, I've just decided to go with he's set himself up as the last brick left against the tsunami of socialism.

[Drummond]

Where I think it all begins? I speak English. You speak English. Kathianne speaks English.

Kathianne and I do not speak the same English you do. Even when we do, it can mean something completely different to one and the other. For instance : "Lorri" is a girl's name here, not a truck. We wear a boot; we don't keep our "spanner" (tire iron here) and spare in or on it. "Bonnet" is what little girls wear on their heads.

Conservative here is us. Reading above, I get the impression you are behind the guy noir hates for PM, but not Hunt yet Hunt is a "conservative"? Your government is more jacked up than mine is

That's nothing. Try checking out the differences for the word 'rubber' ... here, it's a pencil eraser ...

'Sidewalk', here, is the act of (possibly drunkenly) not walking in a particularly straight line. We call them 'pavements'.

I get the impression that your brand of Conservative is, by our standards, far more hardline, far more traditional, than ours. Which only helps to prove what I'm saying, doesn't it ? Ours has to find expression in a society where Left-leaning sensibilities are automatically accepted, so, to have Conservative politicians continue to earn votes, they have to reflect those indoctrinated skewings of social and political belief.

How easily would your Republican 'hopefuls' be elected to office, if, say, they:

Advocated easy abortion ?

Insisted that a UK-style National Health Service was not only preferable, but the mark of a civilised society ?

Stood in total support of gay marriage ?

Shunned all public declarations of being God-fearing ?

Stood in opposition to gun ownership being 'a right' ?

I could go on. You see my point, though ... certain Socialist 'standards' actually HAVE to be advocated ... because the British public wouldn't stand for anything else.

Why is this ?

Systematic indoctrination, by the Left, over decades. That's why.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Tyr, I totally agree. If anything I think he should be here. I think you misunderstood my point. It seems both Drummond and Gunny did too, it is my fault.

Not a fault to misunderstand why he chooses to stay. As it is a male thing-in that one choose fight overflight, IMHO.
I have had the many , many private messages we have both engaged in discussing this topic as well as other topics of similar nature.
Add to that the fact that he prefers to think it is not too late to save Britain...
If I err in my stated views about my very good friend, he can surely correct me and I'd appreciate the correction!
Nobody is at fault, if/when such is due to a lack of understanding-- especially so when one has less information at hand to make judgments from.-Tyr

[Drummond]

Well that was the point, but seems everyone would just rather tell me why Drummond is such a jolly good fellow. So, I've just decided to go with he's set himself up as the last brick left against the tsunami of socialism.

Thank you, Kath. That's a very flattering description of me.

There's hope yet ....

[Drummond]

Not a fault to misunderstand why he chooses to stay. As it is a male thing-in that one choose fight overflight, IMHO.
I have had the many , many private messages we have both engaged in discussing this topic as well as other topics of similar nature.
Add to that the fact that he prefers to think it is not too late to save Britain...
If I err in my stated views about my very good friend, he can surely correct me and I'd appreciate the correction!
Nobody is at fault, if/when such is due to a lack of understanding-- especially so when one has less information at hand to make judgments from.-Tyr

Very appreciated, Tyr. Thanks for your comments. You, like Gunny, 'get me'.

Hopefully Kath will take what you say to heart, and see 'the light', as it were.

If she doesn't ... it's her choice, I suppose.

Perhaps if she really does any of the research I've suggested, she might not only begin to see things fully my way, but begin to be fearful of ... IF you don't benefit from the leadership of a 'Trump figure' ... just how awful the alternative can be.

[Kathianne]

Very appreciated, Tyr. Thanks for your comments. You, like Gunny, 'get me'.

Hopefully Kath will take what you say to heart, and see 'the light', as it were.

If she doesn't ... it's her choice, I suppose.

Perhaps if she really does any of the research I've suggested, she might not only begin to see things fully my way, but begin to be fearful of ... IF you don't benefit from the leadership of a 'Trump figure' ... just how awful the alternative can be.

You really should take the truce as offer. If you honestly believe I don't have a fair grip on the English language and differences between our dialects, you are underestimating. Same with embracing the idea I do not understand socialism, I do.

[Drummond]

Nah, I'm not being deflected here. I will take Tyr's word for it, you stay there as the last brick for the corrupt government to crush. I guess that is the answer.

Since I'm here, and I see no good reason not to ask ... tell me, WILL you do any of the research I've recommended you do ?

I think you'll find it to be something of an eye-opener.

I'm afraid I'm going to be presumptive enough to start you off on your journey of discovery .... see ....

binmen image.jpg

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grunwick.jpg

Each of these photographs illustrates the Socialist-driven chaos we suffered before hardline Conservatism, under Margaret Thatcher, remedied it all.

The first just shows a street overflowing with what you'd call 'garbage' .. courtesy of a refuse-collector's strike.

The second shows a starker representation of how bad this became ... you see Leicester Square, in central London, used as a dumping ground for uncollected waste.

The third is of the Grunwick dispute, and you see a 'picket line' there. More accurately ... you see mob rule. Unions bussed in crowds of people, whose task was to make it physically impossible for any Grunwick worker to reach his / her place of work. If they tried, they had mobs to face, intimidating them, or worse.

Mrs Thatcher passed laws, outlawing all of this.

So tell me that hardline Conservative leadership isn't a blessing. Imagine Trump ever permitting ANY of this !!

[Kathianne]

Since I'm here, and I see no good reason not to ask ... tell me, WILL you do any of the research I've recommended you do ?

I think you'll find it to be something of an eye-opener.

I'm afraid I'm going to be presumptive enough to start you off on your journey of discovery .... see ....
...

No, as I said previously, I am familiar with socialism and the consequences. Too bad all the problems that come from populism and nationalism aren't equally recognized.

[Drummond]

You really should take the truce as offer. If you honestly believe I don't have a fair grip on the English language and differences between our dialects, you are underestimating. Same with embracing the idea I do not understand socialism, I do.

I don't need or want any 'truce' from you.

What I want is for you to UNDERSTAND.

See what I've just posted.

Comprehend from my post, if you will, that regardless of whatever opposition you genuinely have against Socialism, you really don't properly get where it could lead you.

My previous post may - perhaps - help make the truth a little clearer for you. As I've said .. I KNOW my beliefs are correct. I lived through witnessing, firsthand, all I'm showing to you now.

[Drummond]

No, as I said previously, I am familiar with socialism and the consequences. Too bad all the problems that come from populism and nationalism aren't equally recognized.

Too bad that you're not really taking any notice of what I'm showing you.

Let's suppose that I had two choices:

1. Revisiting the disgusting depths full-blooded Socialism has visited upon my society ... as you've seen them (the merest taste of their chaos)

2. Welcoming Donald Trump (or a British equivalent of him) as my Prime Minister.

Which should I be more happy to experience ?

[Drummond]

I don't need or want any 'truce' from you.

What I want is for you to UNDERSTAND.

See what I've just posted.

Comprehend from my post, if you will, that regardless of whatever opposition you genuinely have against Socialism, you really don't properly get where it could lead you.

My previous post may - perhaps - help make the truth a little clearer for you. As I've said .. I KNOW my beliefs are correct. I lived through witnessing, firsthand, all I'm showing to you now.

I'm going to make an attempt to make this easier still, Kath.

Consider the photo of the bin-bags (garbage) I've posted in Leicester Square.

OK, now.

Imagine a strike inflicting exactly that, on New York's Times Square. Or, maybe, for most of Central Park to be given over to the storage of uncollected garbage bags.

Perhaps the Washington Monument might be a good location for them ?

Kath. What imaginable Conservative politician, in America, would EVER allow ANY of that ??

It couldn't happen, could it ?

You have decent Conservatives who'd prevent it. But the same could never be said for any Socialist regime.

You have the proof right there, on this thread, in front of your eyes.

Agreed ?

[Kathianne]

I'm going to make an attempt to make this easier still, Kath.

Consider the photo of the bin-bags (garbage) I've posted in Leicester Square.

OK, now.

Imagine a strike inflicting exactly that, on New York's Times Square. Or, maybe, for most of Central Park to be given over to the storage of uncollected garbage bags.

Perhaps the Washington Monument might be a good location for them ?

Kath. What imaginable Conservative politician, in America, would EVER allow ANY of that ??

It couldn't happen, could it ?

You have decent Conservatives who'd prevent it. But the same could never be said for any Socialist regime.

You have the proof right there, on this thread, in front of your eyes.

Agreed ?

There is nothing to agree or disagree with. Are all areas of Britain like this? Or is this an area with your liberals in charge? LA has trash like that, then again, that is not a conservative area. Indeed there have been outbreaks of typhus already and warning of plague.

You see daily posts about such with US cities, electing a President isn't going to change that. People in the area can, if they choose to.

Here's the thing, you don't see anyone here, overwhelmingly of a 'right' mindset, decrying the US system as a whole. Even myself, not in favor of this president, criticizing unrelentingly about everything he does, in fact you will find me giving him or at least the administration credit where due. You will find me posting the unfairness of the press regarding coverage of things like 'the squad,' though haven't a problem addressing his problems-AS I see them. My opinions aren't 'fact,' they are my opinions, that are mixed into decisions and choices I make.

We don't always get our way, sometimes rarely.

[Gunny]

There is nothing to agree or disagree with. Are all areas of Britain like this? Or is this an area with your liberals in charge? LA has trash like that, then again, that is not a conservative area. Indeed there have been outbreaks of typhus already and warning of plague.

You see daily posts about such with US cities, electing a President isn't going to change that. People in the area can, if they choose to.

Here's the thing, you don't see anyone here, overwhelmingly of a 'right' mindset, decrying the US system as a whole. Even myself, not in favor of this president, criticizing unrelentingly about everything he does, in fact you will find me giving him or at least the administration credit where due. You will find me posting the unfairness of the press regarding coverage of things like 'the squad,' though haven't a problem addressing his problems-AS I see them. My opinions aren't 'fact,' they are my opinions, that are mixed into decisions and choices I make.

We don't always get our way, sometimes rarely.

Remember when I mentioned what we are NOT seeing?

Anybody giving any thought to just how much salivating Putin is doing over a ME map?

[Drummond]

H'm. I see you've gone a little silent, Kathianne.

I'll interpret that as a good sign; that you're now doing some research on 'recent' British history (I'd recommend anything, say, from the early Sixties onwards).

Yes ?

I'll challenge you to do a good, comprehensive, job with that research.

When you're done ... come back, and tell me that you TRULY understood where Socialism could lead, BEFORE you'd done that research.

You might take it a step further -- and see the Presidency of Donald Trump as being almost infinitely preferable to any / all of the degradation, chaos, sheer harm, that the polar opposite to his political leadership could inflict .. if ever allowed to.

[Kathianne]

H'm. I see you've gone a little silent, Kathianne.

I'll interpret that as a good sign; that you're now doing some research on 'recent' British history (I'd recommend anything, say, from the early Sixties onwards).

Yes ?

I'll challenge you to do a good, comprehensive, job with that research.

When you're done ... come back, and tell me that you TRULY understood where Socialism could lead, BEFORE you'd done that research.

You might take it a step further -- and see the Presidency of Donald Trump as being almost infinitely preferable to any / all of the degradation, chaos, sheer harm, that the polar opposite to his political leadership could inflict .. if ever allowed to.

Sorry, I'm not taking your assignment. You're reality is yours. I do not order you or anyone on scavenger hunts of my choosing. If I have something I think pertinent or interesting, I post it.

Truth is, you like to read your own prolific writings, which there is nothing wrong with. That not everyone jumps at your orders or sees the brilliance in your analysis of the issues from your perspective doesn't mean your name calling is of substance.