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    Since there really has been quite a lot of studies on video games, music, and movies and lack of correlation to rampages; seems the broad idea just doesn't work.

    VR may well be something else, there are lots of warnings. So, limit sales until testing has been done. Can do it by age or keep off the private market.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pete311 View Post
    So where is you data that these mass shooters were avid VR gamers? Or are you just making shit up again? VR gaming is not that widespread yet. It's expensive.
    And where is your data that shows they're NOT?

    Let's play a DEMOCRAT game, like GUILTY until proven INNOCENT.

    I posted a link to an hour long documentary show that I know damn well you did NOT watch, and you're IGNORING that, otherwise you wouldn't here talking like an idiot. You have no damn clue what the hell you're talking about, that's obvious. VR 3D gaming is VERY prevalent and GROWING, and not, it is NOT that expensive. You can get an Oculus Gear VR for your smart phone on ebay brand new for $35, so don't tell me expensive either, I have one, and the 3D realism is beyond what ANYONE ever expects to see. Throw in a game where you're killing people and it's almost like BEING THERE doing it for REAL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by High_Plains_Drifter View Post
    And where is your data that shows they're NOT?
    Proving a negative lol

    You just lost and you keep digging. Figures, you hate dealing with evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Since there really has been quite a lot of studies on video games, music, and movies and lack of correlation to rampages; seems the broad idea just doesn't work.

    VR may well be something else, there are lots of warnings. So, limit sales until testing has been done. Can do it by age or keep off the private market.
    Saying "video games" as a generic blanket statement isn't what I'm talking about. I am specifically singling out violent games where you KILL people. No, playing Mario Carts isn't going to warp your brain to the point where you go out and shoot people.

    However, I wish one of you would actually watch the program I linked to. They interview "video game addicts," and they admit they've been effected, and there's tentative proof that these games have things written into them that will cause addiction to them. Then get someone hooked on a 3D virtual reality game where they're killing people and have them play it virtually NON STOP, because they can't quit.

    You just can NOT totally dismiss what nefarious things people, the government, whoever might be up to. Greed drives much of it. Chase the dollar at all cost, or if it also furthers your agenda, and in the governments case, disarming people is certainly an admitted agenda, so what better way to do that then cause mass shootings?

    We didn't have mass shootings 50 years ago. We didn't have them 30 years ago. What's different? What changed? What is turning YOUNG PEOPLE into KILLERS? Well, for one, we didn't have ultra realistic, 3D, virtual reality or even 4K, 2D games where you went around wholesale KILLING people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by High_Plains_Drifter View Post
    Not to mention VIRTUAL REALITY games, and if you've never tried VR, then you have no idea how real the experience is.

    But video games, are they harmless, or NOT? Maybe you should watch this...

    Game Over

    Independent filmmaker Christopher Garetano questions the future of gaming -- and the nature of reality itself -- as he investigates if society's love affair with video games is being used to reprogram our minds.

    https://www.travelchannel.com/shows/...odes/game-over

    So, your stance is that guns aren't responsible, people are, well and video games? LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete311 View Post
    Proving a negative lol

    You just lost and you keep digging. Figures, you hate dealing with evidence.
    What are you laughing at, dumbass? That's the way you people have conducted your witch hunt against the PRESIDENT.

    Get a clue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by High_Plains_Drifter View Post
    Saying "video games" as a generic blanket statement isn't what I'm talking about. I am specifically singling out violent games where you KILL people. No, playing Mario Carts isn't going to warp your brain to the point where you go out and shoot people.

    However, I wish one of you would actually watch the program I linked to. They interview "video game addicts," and they admit they've been effected, and there's tentative proof that these games have things written into them that will cause addiction to them. Then get someone hooked on a 3D virtual reality game where they're killing people and have them play it virtually NON STOP, because they can't quit.

    You just can NOT totally dismiss what nefarious things people, the government, whoever might be up to. Greed drives much of it. Chase the dollar at all cost, or if it also furthers your agenda, and in the governments case, disarming people is certainly an admitted agenda, so what better way to do that then cause mass shootings?

    We didn't have mass shootings 50 years ago. We didn't have them 30 years ago. What's different? What changed? What is turning YOUNG PEOPLE into KILLERS? Well, for one, we didn't have ultra realistic, 3D, virtual reality or even 4K, 2D games where you went around wholesale KILLING people.

    We didn't ?


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    Evidently someone still doesn't know I have them on ignore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete311 View Post
    Guess it's so difficult, it's not worth the effort. Either way, video games are not the cause. It's such a lame scapegoat and so predicable that republicans would use that card. Trump mentions it and like zombie drones you guys all are nodding your heads.
    Now hold up.

    While I don't agree with video games being the bogeyman here , Trump was referring to unstable people when he said perhaps violent video games are part of the problem, and that is entirely true.

    Underdeveloped minds, whether through mental illness or through just age can not process video games or movies and such as what they are. This is why violent movies and games have ratings. Ratings that are entirely ignored by so many parents.

    I can't tell you how many times I hear "Why can't I watch that movie/play that game/go to that concert, all my friends do"

    I'm a HUGE Grand Theft Auto fan, I've bought every game since the first one, and I will buy VI when it comes out, but it is not appropriate for children, and I don't let mine play or even see me playing. And in my particular case we're talking about children who are well versed in gun safety. Doesn't matter though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by High_Plains_Drifter View Post
    Evidently someone still doesn't know I have them on ignore.
    yeah, mass shootings have been around for longer than video games and way before VR, which IS NOT widely available due to costs.

    Either the shooter is responsible or any other factor, including weapon availability is.

    Nutters are nutters.


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    Quote Originally Posted by High_Plains_Drifter View Post
    Evidently someone still doesn't know I have them on ignore.
    Unless you re put me on ignore since last week you are lying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    yeah, mass shootings have been around for longer than video games and way before VR, which IS NOT widely available due to costs.

    Either the shooter is responsible or any other factor, including weapon availability is.

    Nutters are nutters.
    I don't even know how you could possibly with a straight face say one inanimate object could not possibly be responsible because it's an inanimate object, and then turn around in the same sentence and blame some other inanimate object LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    yeah, mass shootings have been around for longer than video games and way before VR, which IS NOT widely available due to costs.

    Either the shooter is responsible or any other factor, including weapon availability is.

    Nutters are nutters.
    Not mass shootings like we have now. Kids walking through a walmart and such. We did not have that, and not near as frequent.

    I should have been a cop. I'm the type of person that doesn't dismiss any possibility, and I look at all the evidence. Most people just say, no, that can't be, and won't even consider the possibility even when shown proof.
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    YEAR IN REVIEW: 14 Mass Murders Linked to Violent Video Games

    "I've been waiting to do this for years." Those were the words of Chris Harper-Mercer before he killed 10 people, including himself, and left seven more injured in the massacre that took place on the Umpqua campus.

    It seems that almost every week the airwaves are flooded with mass shootings at the hand of violent, enraged gunmen. Violence and shootings affect hundreds, if not thousands of innocent people every year as well as our nation's stability as a whole. Through research, reports often indicate many mass killers were addicted to violent video games. Harper-Mercer was no exception to this trend.

    Harper-Mercer was known as a recluse who was obsessed with violent gaming and the digital world, even finding supporters on those sites. On an anonymous chat room website called 4chan, there are messages that talk about what he was planning to do.

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    Here's a list of the mass murders linked with video games:


    1. Adam Lanza, Sandy Hook Elementary, was a frequent player of violent first-person shooter video games. It was said his existence largely involved playing violent computer video games in a bedroom.

    2. James Holmes, went on a rampage in a movie theater showing The Dark Knight Rises in Aurora, Colorado in July 2012, He was a frequent player of violent video games including World of Warcraft, an infamously addictive role-playing game.

    3 Jared Lee Loughner, Tucson, who shot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and killed six others in Tucson in January 2011, was both mentally ill and a video gamer.

    4. Eric Harris, based on his journal, a panel of psychologists, psychiatrists and FBI agents point to Harris' contempt for others and his total lack of empathy and conscience as evidence of his psychopathic tendencies. He also enjoyed violent video games.

    5. Elliot Rodger, killed seven young men and women, including himself. He was hooked on violent video games from a young age from his own admission, hiding himself in World of Warcraft, where he felt comfortable and secure.

    6. Nehemiah Griego, killed five, including his mother, father and his three younger siblings. He loved playing violent video games and even enjoyed talking about them to crime investigators.

    7. Jacob Tyler Roberts, played violent video games (his rampage enacted a violent scene in Grand Theft Auto)

    8. Anders Behring Breivik shot 68 people dead at a youth camp of the Norwegian Labor party, another nine in a bombing of government buildings According to the judgment rendered against him, he liked playing violent games. He actually used the video game Call of Duty to train for his shooting massacre.

    9. Michael Carneal shot girls as they prayed in a prayer group. Carneal never moved his feet during his shootings, and never fired far to the left or right, but instead fired only once at each target that appeared, just as a player of video games maximizes his game score by shooting only once at each victim, in order to hit as many targets as possible.

    10. Jose Reyes, a 12-year-old boy who opened fire with a semiautomatic handgun at Sparks Middle School last October, killing a teacher and wounding two students before turning the gun on himself, had watched violent video games for months.

    11. Dylann Storm Roof, spent much of his time playing violent video games.

    12. Jeff Weise, a 16-year-old, shot dead nine people at and near his high school in Red Lake, Minnesota, had an obsession with violent animation.

    13. Chris Harper-Mercer, shot dead nine people and another seven injured in a community college in southern Oregon.

    14. Evan Ramsey, snuck a shot gun into his high school and shot a student and the principal and wounded two others. He claims that a video game, Doom, distorted his version of reality: "I did not understand that if I pull out a gun and shoot you ... you're not getting back up. You shoot a guy in Doom, and he gets back up. You have got to shoot the things in Doom eight or nine times before it dies."

    Other killers have been hooked on violent video games too and have a warped sense of what's real and what's not, thinking that real life is just like a video game.

    Numerous studies have linked violent behavior to consumption of violence in video games.

    Recently, researchers at Ohio State University conducted a study and concluded that, "People who have a steady diet of playing these violent video games may come to see the world as a hostile and violent place." Brad Bushman, professor of communication and psychology at OSU, continues, "These results suggest there could be a cumulative effect" in making video game players more aggressive and violent over the long term as well as over the short term.

    This is just one of thousands of studies about depictions of violence in the mass media, including video games, that come to similar conclusions.

    Of course, this doesn't mean that all children, teenagers and young adults playing video games, even violent video games, will act out violently, but when will people realize that the most dangerous weapon a person yields is their mind? The more minds are corrupted with violence, the more dangerous society becomes.

    Read more here: https://www.charismanews.com/culture/52651-14-mass-murders-linked-to-violent-video-games
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    Quote Originally Posted by High_Plains_Drifter View Post
    Not mass shootings like we have now. Kids walking through a walmart and such. We did not have that, and not near as frequent.

    I should have been a cop. I'm the type of person that doesn't dismiss any possibility, and I look at all the evidence. Most people just say, no, that can't be, and won't even consider the possibility even when shown proof.
    Nutters being copy cats? Nutters wanting to be famous? Nutters wanting suicide by cop and taking lots with them?

    Open to any or all.

    Mass killings due to VR, much less movies, etc.?

    All of these are peripheral to wanting to kill lots of people, a sociopath. A nutter for the more nuanced.


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