So This Is What Drummond Has Been Up To

[Drummond]

This whole thing has restored my faith in the UK citizens.

Wonderful bit of work. Congratulations, Drummond!

Truth be told, I think everyone's amazed at the extent of the victory ! I was quietly confident Boris would win, but with a slim majority. Some were predicting a hung Parliament virtually until election day.

No. When the election day dawned, voters stood by their ballot papers, and just felt that to vote Labour was something they couldn't bring themselves to do.

The media has done something to investigate what was in voters' minds at the time. Interviews with them consistently had something in common ... true even of the most formerly loyal Labour voters. Fact was that precious few people could bring themselves to vote for Jeremy Corbyn.

He was THAT bad a prospect !!

We've had electoral seats go to the Conservatives that have never voted Conservative in generations. Leigh, Lancs; Blyth; Wrexham ... areas such as those have never voted for Conservative MP's for, literally, the better part of an entire century. But, they DID vote Conservative this time, in part because Corbyn was a totally repellent prospect for them to envisage as our future PM.

Of course, Brexit played its part. Labour was seen to have betrayed constituencies of theirs where the vote was to Leave the EU. Labour lost MP's who'd defied their own Constituencies and failed to fight for a completed Brexit.

Labour's enjoyed a period of inflicting paralysis on Parliament, to frustrate Brexit. They can no longer do so. They can no longer wield meaningful political power of any description, in fact.

The Voting Public Has Spoken, held Labour to account for its vandalistic arrogance. The price: the threat of being consigned to irrelevence for a generation or more.

They had it coming !!!

[Gunny]

Truth be told, I think everyone's amazed at the extent of the victory ! I was quietly confident Boris would win, but with a slim majority. Some were predicting a hung Parliament virtually until election day.

No. When the election day dawned, voters stood by their ballot papers, and just felt that to vote Labour was something they couldn't bring themselves to do.

The media has done something to investigate what was in voters' minds at the time. Interviews with them consistently had something in common ... true even of the most formerly loyal Labour voters. Fact was that precious few people could bring themselves to vote for Jeremy Corbyn.

He was THAT bad a prospect !!

We've had electoral seats go to the Conservatives that have never voted Conservative in generations. Leigh, Lancs; Blyth; Wrexham ... areas such as those have never voted for Conservative MP's for, literally, the better part of an entire century. But, they DID vote Conservative this time, in part because Corbyn was a totally repellent prospect for them to envisage as our future PM.

Of course, Brexit played its part. Labour was seen to have betrayed constituencies of theirs where the vote was to Leave the EU. Labour lost MP's who'd defied their own Constituencies and failed to fight for a completed Brexit.

Labour's enjoyed a period of inflicting paralysis on Parliament, to frustrate Brexit. They can no longer do so. They can no longer wield meaningful political power of any description, in fact.

The Voting Public Has Spoken, held Labour to account for its vandalistic arrogance. The price: the threat of being consigned to irrelevence for a generation or more.

They had it coming !!!

Corbyn sounds like George McGovern in the US in 72. My grandfather, a staunch Roosevelt Dem, said he just couldn't vote for the man (McGovern). He was THAT bad. I'm going off memory but I think he carried only 2 states.

[Drummond]

It IS very arrogant of him to not step down as I noted the defeated leader of the conservative party in one of the Scottish districts (?) did.

But isn't that what the left is all about? Not accepting responsibility in defeat. Not facing the fact the people don't want them. Must be something wrong with the people OR "they just don't understand"

So he's going to remain in charge of ...

The trouble with Socialism is that it's a doctrine. Those representing it, and wanting to push it on others, have an indoctrinated mindset .. and that closed-mindedness cripples their objectivity.

To what extent Corbyn is a deliberate facilitator, and to what extent he himself is a product of indoctrination ... I don't know. But in Corbyn's case, he has a great thirst for power. Mix that with his myopic zeal to inflict his Utopianist mindset, and you've got someone who can't let go of either. Corbyn can't easily give up on whatever power he feels he can get, and he can't, EVER, see that his beliefs and ambitions are poison.

We in the UK have had a taste of hardline Socialism already, in times past. We KNOW what it brings, because we've seen it all unfold, seen its destruction. But, Corbyn is blind to the lessons of history.

To him, what he thinks is right, MUST BE, for no other reason than because he says so.

Well ... he's set on a course leading to oblivion. Better him, than an entire country.

[Kathianne]

In case you don't know this already: the Daily Mirror is rabidly anti-Conservative. Their front page headline on 13th December, addressing what was then known about his electoral victory, was:

'NIGHTMARE BEFORE XMAS'

If you're looking for any measure of balanced reporting, you'll not get it from the Daily Mirror.

That is when you KNOW they were trounced! The opposition has no recourse but to admit it! Congrats!

[Drummond]

That is when you KNOW they were trounced! The opposition has no recourse but to admit it! Congrats!

Many thanks for your congrats !

I wish that Corbyn would make a statement admitting full culpability for the crushing defeat he and his Party have taken. He's done nothing of the sort, though. We get from him that 'a period of reflection' is called for, as if they don't know what their problem has been, and need time to work it out ...

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

There was one tactic which was employed which shows that Labour was well aware of its shabbiness.

Labour, after initially having given their support for the triggering of Article 50 (the means by which Brexit negotiations commenced), reneged on their supposed intention to see it through. 'Officially', they would support Brexit if it included a good deal. But, even though they absolutely insisted that we CANNOT leave the EU minus a deal ... they then proceeded to block anything in sight.

Thus, we had our Commons deadlock, because Labour blocked any & all progress to achieving Brexit.

They had to know that they were defying the voting public by doing this. Which is why, once the electioneering commenced, Labour absolutely refused to spend any more time mentioning Brexit than they had to. They'd talk about a great deal else ... just, not Brexit. BECAUSE IF THEY DID, THEY'D BE INVITING EXAMINATION OF THEIR UNDEMOCRATIC BEHAVIOUR.

They weren't interested in being democratically accountable, AND, tried to get away with having that considered.

Boris, by contrast, mentioned Brexit whenever he could.

I think our voting Public needed to teach Labour a lesson about all that, which is why even their voting heartlands (many pro-Brexit) turned away from them, with cities voting for Conservatives for the first time in living memory !!

All this is completely obvious. Labour need no 'reflection period' to know any / all of this. BUT ... they need to act as though their behaviour, their tactics, had never happened.

So, they continue to act dishonestly and disreputably. And, they expect us all to just accept it.

[Kathianne]

Many thanks for your congrats !

I wish that Corbyn would make a statement admitting full culpability for the crushing defeat he and his Party have taken. He's done nothing of the sort, though. We get from him that 'a period of reflection' is called for, as if they don't know what their problem has been, and need time to work it out ...

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

There was one tactic which was employed which shows that Labour was well aware of its shabbiness.

Labour, after initially having given their support for the triggering of Article 50 (the means by which Brexit negotiations commenced), reneged on their supposed intention to see it through. 'Officially', they would support Brexit if it included a good deal. But, even though they absolutely insisted that we CANNOT leave the EU minus a deal ... they then proceeded to block anything in sight.

Thus, we had our Commons deadlock, because Labour blocked any & all progress to achieving Brexit.

They had to know that they were defying the voting public by doing this. Which is why, once the electioneering commenced, Labour absolutely refused to spend any more time mentioning Brexit than they had to. They'd talk about a great deal else ... just, not Brexit. BECAUSE IF THEY DID, THEY'D BE INVITING EXAMINATION OF THEIR UNDEMOCRATIC BEHAVIOUR.

They weren't interested in being democratically accountable, AND, tried to get away with having that considered.

Boris, by contrast, mentioned Brexit whenever he could.

I think our voting Public needed to teach Labour a lesson about all that, which is why even their voting heartlands (many pro-Brexit) turned away from them, with cities voting for Conservatives for the first time in living memory !!

All this is completely obvious. Labour need no 'reflection period' to know any / all of this. BUT ... they need to act as though their behaviour, their tactics, had never happened.

So, they continue to act dishonestly and disreputably. And, they expect us all to just accept it.

I just started reading, Animal Farm, today for about the 20th time. Those who ignore the 'will of the people,' are like the pigs that took over. They got theirs.

[Kathianne]

Seems that Drummond would enjoy this:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...ons-revolution

[Kathianne]

and this:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...pronged-attack

[Drummond]

Seems that Drummond would enjoy this:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...ons-revolution

Yep. This is an excellent article.

One 'aside' point:

... Cummings, who has often voiced his contempt for Conservative MPs, civil servants, and all of SW1 (the postal code for Parliament and the whole Westminster village) ...

True enough. But until only a handful of years ago, the SW1 postcode also included the Office for National Statistics, as SW1 doesn't just include Westminster, but Pimlico as well. Taking the statement literally, Cummings would also have to be showing contempt for THE leading authority the UK has in analysing and disseminating statistical data !

[Drummond]

and this:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...pronged-attack

Not too bad, this, though I see a couple of low-key barbs against Boris are included (.. well, that IS the Guardian, after all).

Boris ducked a BBC with Andrew Neil .. yes. But Neil is an especially aggressive interviewer, and he, along with others such as Emily Maitlis, habitually interview Conservative politicians without being interested in listening to the answer to their questions, or even wanting them to be heard.

It is indeed true that not paying your TV licence fee, here in the UK, is actually a criminal offence. You in the US can choose whether you pay any fee to watch the BBC's output. Brits don't have that luxury. We HAVE to pay them, via the licence fee, or receive a criminal record if we refuse to.

Boris is, understandably, going to review all that.

Emily Maitlis has a habit of interrupting interviewees who express political opinions which she, personally, objects to. She can get rather combative with views not to her liking. I don't know how this compares to a typical US television interviewer ... still, also as something of an aside, here's a video of Maitlis being increasingly combative against Hungary's foreign minister (and 'insulting', as he himself says at one point) on the subject of Hungary's right to control its immigration as IT sees fit !! .. :



That Foreign Minister spoke good commonsense, & I'm sure that many here would have complete sympathy and agreement with the viewpoint he expresses (check out the video, see for yourself !). What he got in response was combative, insulting and a highly challenging 'PC' interview from the BBC's Maitlis .....

Nice to know that our licence fees are being spent so 'well' .....