About A Turncoat, A Loathsome Little Worm

[fj1200]

McConnell and his wife’s family have a business set up with a Chinese State owned shipping company. McConnell should be investigated for possible violations if federal laws regarding the Emoluments clause

Wow, the knives are coming out. Your comments were funny and laughed at when democrats trotted out the emoluments clause.

With Congress, the media, and probably the USSC, on his side, you will see Biden snap his fingers and get what he (or his handlers) want, over and over.

And? But why does trump want to drive a wedge? Oh yeah, he's a petty child.

[Kathianne]

Wow, the knives are coming out. Your comments were funny and laughed at when democrats trotted out the emoluments clause.



And? But why does trump want to drive a wedge? Oh yeah, he's a petty child.

I pretty much agree with you. IMO, Mitch was so right on his observations regarding 1/6 and the damage cost to the country even if that event hadn't happened, just the hammering at the resulting 'loss of voice' according to the 'big steal.'

At the same time, I admit that I find fighting the wave of willingness to follow this path shows no sign of receding. So, I'm spending what time I have to look for like-minded folks that are considering those who might be willing to address the increasingly dangerous divide in our country. I've discovered that there are folks out there, as I pretty much always assumed, that are not wanting 'war' with those they share a country with. They don't find name calling an answer, but agree that we need some serious attention to what is and has been happening regarding the extreme ends of both political parties-the extremists with over proportional influence of both now.

For the most part, again just my opinion, I've concluded it useless to talk politics to those wedded to a populist ideology or person-be it a Trump and working for his revenge filled future or 'social justice warriors' that wish to silence any and all that do not fall in their current causes and language.

Some of the above are my friends and family. I do NOT dislike or wish to cut any of them off. I also am working to avoid engaging in too much political discussion in order to avoid bad feelings, which pretty much is a reflection of my belief that even the more extreme, (at least those who only trash talk and would not participate in violence, even while 'understanding' those 'pushed' to do so), are not bad people, just working through emotion more than other factors. Due to the emotion driven politics, there currently seems to be few paths or even desire to work on any consensus or compromise, for even the idea is abhorrent of working with the devil.

Sad times, though I pray that something brings us back to the realization that without finding some common ground, we're doomed regarding a republican form of government.

[fj1200]

I pretty much agree with you. IMO, Mitch was so right on his observations regarding 1/6 and the damage cost to the country even if that event hadn't happened, just the hammering at the resulting 'loss of voice' according to the 'big steal.'

At the same time, I admit that I find fighting the wave of willingness to follow this path shows no sign of receding. So, I'm spending what time I have to look for like-minded folks that are considering those who might be willing to address the increasingly dangerous divide in our country. I've discovered that there are folks out there, as I pretty much always assumed, that are not wanting 'war' with those they share a country with. They don't find name calling an answer, but agree that we need some serious attention to what is and has been happening regarding the extreme ends of both political parties-the extremists with over proportional influence of both now.

For the most part, again just my opinion, I've concluded it useless to talk politics to those wedded to a populist ideology or person-be it a Trump and working for his revenge filled future or 'social justice warriors' that wish to silence any and all that do not fall in their current causes and language.

Some of the above are my friends and family. I do NOT dislike or wish to cut any of them off. I also am working to avoid engaging in too much political discussion in order to avoid bad feelings, which pretty much is a reflection of my belief that even the more extreme, (at least those who only trash talk and would not participate in violence, even while 'understanding' those 'pushed' to do so), are not bad people, just working through emotion more than other factors. Due to the emotion driven politics, there currently seems to be few paths or even desire to work on any consensus or compromise, for even the idea is abhorrent of working with the devil.

Sad times, though I pray that something brings us back to the realization that without finding some common ground, we're doomed regarding a republican form of government.

Yes. But I gotta say I just don't understand the acceptance of behavior on the right from those who would have howled if the left had done anything near as despicable. I guess I'll just continue to shake my head in hoping that this subsides... I'm not hopeful.

[Abbey Marie]

Wow, the knives are coming out. Your comments were funny and laughed at when democrats trotted out the emoluments clause.



And? But why does trump want to drive a wedge? Oh yeah, he's a petty child.

And what? YOU said no one can just “snap their fingers and get what they want”. I disagree. Biden can and will.

[Kathianne]

Yes. But I gotta say I just don't understand the acceptance of behavior on the right from those who would have howled if the left had done anything near as despicable. I guess I'll just continue to shake my head in hoping that this subsides... I'm not hopeful.

I think that I've come to the point where I accept there are many 'conservatives' that are permanently wedded to both Trump the man and what they are convinced he 'means.' What I've always had problems understanding is how they can accept and amplify the constant attacks on those that helped, actually pulled his policies and his election over the line-like McConnell, like Ryan, like Sessions. Even with 1/6, he showed no concern regarding Mike Pence, who'd already given all he had to not only back up Trump, but even mitigate any missteps. There are no excuses for any of these men from the Trump supporters, indeed all of these men will continue to be vilified by the far right from now on.

None of this is to give cover or excuses from anything going on with the left. Yes, they are still more violent and still as unyielding. Then again, I've not allied with any of their premises in my adult life. They are not 'my people,' though they are my countrymen and we do need to find a way to co-exist. If not, it's not going to be ideology or principles in danger, they will not longer exist, for any of us.

[Abbey Marie]

I’ve been thinking, btw, all this kumbaya from the Dems now that they are in power is rather transparent. Where was the push for unity when Trump was in office? I must have missed it.

[fj1200]

And what? YOU said no one can just “ snap their fingers and get what they want”. I disagree. Biden can and will.

Not really but whatever. Elections have consequences.

[Abbey Marie]

Not really but whatever. Elections have consequences.

Not really what?

[fj1200]

Not really what?

Get what he wants. But to the extent that he can, elections have consequences. I'm not sure what your line of thought has on the topic though. trump's agenda took McConnell just as biden's agenda will take Schumer.

[Kathianne]

Not really but whatever. Elections have consequences.

Even with the Senate results in GA, the message now is that it was not Trump's fault. Not that he badgered GA officials, perhaps with criminal consequences. Nothing is ever a direct result of his actions-he really is a lot like Cuomo or vice versa. Maybe it's 'the NY way?'

Cuomo killed the elderly; Trump killed the will of thousands to vote with 'Stop the Steal.'

A word, please. There are processes for dealing with troubling events. Cuomo needed to apologize for wasting all that Trump had given him from ship to doctors/nurses to $$ for Javits center, etc. Cuomo failed and he wasted. Then he lied. Then he covered up. He threw blame everywhere, even on the elderly and their families.

There are processes to address much of what happened even with pandemic. When governors began to issue edicts, no legislation, there were courts and there were appeal processes. Instead a preventative failsafe was created regarding any loss-it was fraud or rigging of machines. I've no doubt there were a myriad of problems with the covid edicts and the results that followed. I'm also certain that Trump's words, behaviors had turned more elderly to Biden voters, than his results driven policies turned minority voters to Trump.

At the end of the day I think Trump policies will eventually be looked at for their results. So will his behaviors. I think the polices will be judged beneficial, but his behaviors will have tarnished his reputation along the likes of Nixon and Clinton.

[gabosaurus]

If not for McConnell, Obama would have pushed through Garland for the Supreme Court. McConnell ran interference for Trump programs and policies for four years. Without pressure from McConnell, Trump would have been impeached the first time. And no Trump Supreme Court nominees would have been confirmed. Donald Trump cares about one person -- Donald Trump. There are Republicans politicians who supported Trump for four years. But when he asked them to break the law and buy into unbelievable conspiracy theories, some refused. Now Trump has turned on them. You are either Republican or Trumpian.

[icansayit]

If not for McConnell, Obama would have pushed through Garland for the Supreme Court. McConnell ran interference for Trump programs and policies for four years. Without pressure from McConnell, Trump would have been impeached the first time. And no Trump Supreme Court nominees would have been confirmed. Donald Trump cares about one person -- Donald Trump. There are Republicans politicians who supported Trump for four years. But when he asked them to break the law and buy into unbelievable conspiracy theories, some refused. Now Trump has turned on them. You are either Republican or Trumpian.

Show us when and where TRUMP ever asked, or told ANYONE to BREAK ANY LAW?

Bet your real last name might be...Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff, Waters, or any of more than 100 other Liars you could be related to.

[Gunny]

You might want to review the thread. I don't care what McConnell said and wasn't paying any attention to it until trump threw another tantrum, but that's not really news either.

The facts in this thread are 1. trump is loyal to no one and is thus not deserving of loyalty. 2. McConnell pushed through an agenda that would not have gone as far without him.

Thread is about McConnell. Look at the thread title.

The Senate Majority Leader pushed through The President's policies because that's his job. Dragging his feet to see which way the wind was going to blow in the Republican party as far as supporting Trump was concerned was not his job.

[Kathianne]

Thread is about McConnell. Look at the thread title.

The Senate Majority Leader pushed through The President's policies because that's his job. Dragging his feet to see which way the wind was going to blow in the Republican party as far as supporting Trump was concerned was not his job.

Actually it kind of is, his job is to decide when to back or not according to keep seats. McConnell became more plain speaking as it became clear that Trump was going nuclear og GA Senate races as he was losing on all fronts. Together with Lin Wood Trump energized Dems while suppressing his own base. Here we Re, batching about Biden win and the shabby treatment of Trump.

[jimnyc]

I’ve been thinking, btw, all this kumbaya from the Dems now that they are in power is rather transparent. Where was the push for unity when Trump was in office? I must have missed it.

There is zero desire for true unity from the democrats. That's all nothing more than show, and also a call for those who they shit on for 4 years to now in turn accept them.

But that's about all the transparency you're going to see.

Then the media, they're sickening. They were the most hatred filled people for over 4 years, and now they sit on their elbows just admiring the democrats with a loving glaze and can hardly find themselves asking them anything tough whatsoever. Some may do the right thing but no doubt that this wing of the democrats will also lie and cheat to help advance their agendas.