EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK: A Bunch of Liars! What is the Church Going to Do?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I can't really help it when your imagination points you in the wrong direction. But please, talk about me to other people; that's always a courageous stance.

Are you not privy to every word I type?
I like talking to other people whether its about you or not.
You think I say to them anything I'll not say directly to you?
If you do you are surely daffy.

Evil exists, so where is my wrong direction.
My point was the campaign to create and maintain a blindness to evil's very existence.

Stop the fancy dancing crap.
I made my point now refute it if you can.
Should you do so in a civil manner I just may care to reply ...
See how that works??? --Tyr

[fj1200]

Stated as you attempt to trump up a reason to evade answering the rather pointed question she hit you with or else run away yourself.

I had no reason to banter with you when you ignorantly attempted to
dismiss my obvious point with one of your million shades of grey liberal strategies..
Besides what do you care that others do not reply?
You are in an verbal engagement with Abbey, has she ever ran from anybody?
She has not as far as I've ever seen...

So answer her or run-- your ball pedro..

I suspect that you do not want to because you can not get way with your usual tactics and must defend without clever retorts, insults or nonsensical evasions..

Hoss, when you plead ignorance like that you just pulled out the white flag but haven't yet waved it.. --Tyr

With all due respect to Jeff, the OP link was a train wreck. And then you started prattling down another road as is your wont.

But since you're feeling falsely smug the answer to Abbey's question... :drumroll: No. She isn't the one "denying/challenging" your point. The only thing that's been proven again is that you really aren't interested in truth, you're only interested in harping your views.

And oh yeah, "million shades of grey liberal strategies..." prattle.

EDIT: I see you did give a more in-depth reply. Stay tuned.

[avatar4321]

Well said. But I suspect Gnostic shudders at the suggestion that he attends any church.

Then perhaps he should attend a church before claiming they are all lying and pretending to know what they teach.

[fj1200]

Are you not privy to every word I type?
I like talking to other people whether its about you or not.
You think I say to them anything I'll not say directly to you?
If you do you are surely daffy.

Privy to every word you type? I suppose. Do I read every word you type? No. But no, never any passive aggressive posting from you.

Evil exists, so where is my wrong direction.
My point was the campaign to create and maintain a blindness to evil's very existence.

Stop the fancy dancing crap.
I made my point now refute it if you can.
Should you do so in a civil manner I just may care to reply ...
See how that works??? --Tyr

Of course evil exists. I think I made my point awhile ago to which you replied with an off hand comment. Refute it if you can.

Divisiveness is a personification of evil, always looking for any difference and seeing evil in what you find.

Oh, and I'm always civil.

[avatar4321]

And God wanted to kill Moses...

I don't recall that one

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Then perhaps he should attend a church before claiming they are all lying and pretending to know what they teach.

Church just needs to follow scripture and teach Christ is the Salvation.
Exhort its followers to reject the ongoing liberal /government indoctrination into the blindness that says evil does not exist.
Almost all institutions and education entities teach this PC crap and our kids are deliberately being blinded.. Trust me , in may be a political tactic but the Force behind it is pure evil...

[indago]

I don't recall that one

Exodus 4:24

God met with Moses with the intent to kill him, but Moses' wife, Zipporah, saved his life.

[Jeff]

When I posted this thread ( train wreck, thanks fj ) I wasn't saying the teachings of the church are lie's, I was talking about the lies that come out of the church goers, the same type of lie's that come out of many mouths now a days, seems lies are the norm now a days, showing that there is lies in the church as well was just to show how bad it has become not to say anyone's beliefs are true or false or was it meant to question the Bible.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Exodus 4:24

God met with Moses with the intent to kill him, but Moses' wife, Zipporah, saved his life.

http://biblehub.com/commentaries/exodus/4-24.htm

Pulpit Commentary

Verses 24-26. - The transition is abrupt from the promise of triumph over Pharaoh to the threat of instant death. But we must bear in mind that some days may have elapsed between the two, and that the sin which provoked the menace was probably not committed at the date of the promise. The narrative of verses 24-26 is obscure from its brevity; but the most probable explanation of the circumstances is, that Zipporah had been delivered of her second son, Eliezer, some few days before she set out on the journey to Egypt. Childbirth, it must be remembered, in the East does not incapacitate a person from exertion for more than a day or two. On the journey, the eighth day from the birth of the child arrived, and his circumcision ought to have taken place; but Zipporah had a repugnance to the rite, and deferred it, Moses weakly consenting to the illegality. At the close of the eighth day, when Moses went to rest for the night, he was seized with a sudden and dangerous illness, which he regarded, and rightly regarded, as a God-inflicted punishment, sent to chastise his sin in breaking the Divine command (Genesis 17:10-12).

Zipporah understood the matter in the same way; and, as her husband was too ill to perform the rite, she herself with her own hand cut off her boy's foreskin, and, still indignant at what she had been forced to do, cast it at her husband's feet, with the reproach - "Surely a bloody husband art thou to me." The rite once performed, however reluctantly, God remitted his anger, and. allowed Moses to recover his health, and pursue his journey. Verse 24. - It came to pass by the way in the inn. "Inns," in our sense of the word, were unknown in the East for many ages after the time of Moses, and are still of very rare occurrence. Khans or caravanserais take their place. These are unfurnished buildings, open to all travelers, who thus obtain shelter gratis? but must provide themselves with food, bedding, and all other necessaries. It is questioned, however, if even such a place as this is here meant. Probably, the malon of Moses' time was a mere recognized halting-place, in the vicinity of a well, at which travelers were accustomed to pass the night. The Lord met him and sought to kill him. A sudden seizure, followed by a dangerous illness, is generally thought to he intended (Knobel, Kalisch, Rosenmuller, Canon Cook); but the words seem more appropriate to a miraculous appearance, like that of the angel to Balaam (Numbers 22:31). Still, it is quite possible that nothing more than an illness is meant.

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God does not make exceptions to his word.
Moses yielded wrongly to his wife's wishes, thereby disobeying God.
In that act of defiance he did not get a "get out of jail free card".
God visited a sickness upon him, caused the punishment to be known
and gave a chance for repentance and corrective action. Which was taken , saving Moses's life..
Same as any father would do for his child. -Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

When I posted this thread ( train wreck, thanks fj ) I wasn't saying the teachings of the church are lie's, I was talking about the lies that come out of the church goers, the same type of lie's that come out of many mouths now a days, seems lies are the norm now a days, showing that there is lies in the church as well was just to show how bad it has become not to say anyone's beliefs are true or false or was it meant to question the Bible.

Please forgive fj my friend. He has a habit of thinking only his great brain can cipher out the brilliance of what you truly "SHOULD HAVE SAID"!!!!--

By the way, how dare you correct him by explaining your opening post !!! --Tyr

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

No need for anyone to explain anything to you. We all know, based on your endless hatred; you won't accept anything we might say, anyhow. You are constantly on the prowl to have an argument with people who are seeking to be as low as you. So..you win. You are all by yourself. Care to explain that?

True that I hate liars and I am alone as most of those here believe liars as a part of their religious system.

Regards
DL

[avatar4321]

Exodus 4:24

God met with Moses with the intent to kill him, but Moses' wife, Zipporah, saved his life.

Forgot about that one

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

I don't know what church you are attending but I've always been invited to know God for myself.

Jesus said that eternal life was to know God and Jesus. If one cannot have eternal life without knowing God how could you be saved if you believe Him to be unknowable?

Moses wanted all of Israel to know God and be prophets in their own right. Perhaps if you knew the scriptures better...

Saved?

Saved from what?

The God I know is more like the God your supposed to follow and know.

This one.

Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his work is perfect:

Are we not all of God's perfect works? And if so, why would he condemn us?

What have you or anyone else here done that is worthy of infinite torture or death?

Regards
DL

[avatar4321]

True that I hate liars and I am alone as most of those here believe liars as a part of their religious system.

Regards
DL

Self hate isn't healthy. Come to Christ and be filled with love. With Christ you can love all liars. Even obama. But you won't be deceived by them.

[avatar4321]

Saved?

Saved from what?

The God I know is more like the God your supposed to follow and know.

This one.

Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his work is perfect:

Are we not all of God's perfect works? And if so, why would he condemn us?

What have you or anyone else here done that is worthy of infinite torture or death?

Regards
DL

We disobeyed God. No unclean thing can stand in His presence. If we are out of His presence, we are dead.

You don't know God. For how does a man know a master he hasn't served. And how do you serve a master while insulting His Son and denying His gift?

You can know Him though. All can. Humble yourself before Him. Study His Words. Call to Him with sincerity of heart.